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Daily Independent Online.         * Thursday, May 20, 2004.

I�m not Obasanjo�s friend, says Babatope

As Director of Organisation of the Unity Party of Nigeria (UPN), Chief Ebenezer Babatope was a firebrand progressive. He was also a member of Afenifere, the pan-Yoruba socio-cultural organisation. But that was before he wasappointed a minister in the late General Sani Abacha government along with Alhaji Lateef Jakande and Dr Olu Onagoruwa. Herefused to resign the appointment when asked to by NADECO, and, thereafter, he was branded a political turncoat. Since then, Babatope has had to live with that sigma.

In this interview with Senior Correspondent, Tolu Olarewaju, Babatope speaks on his membership of Awoist movement, Afenifere and PDP but declines to comment onOmisorefunctioning as a senator of the Federal Republic from the prison custody.

Excerpts:

During the 2003 general elections, the PDP overran the South West. That was the first time the ruling party at the centre will also be in power in the South West, thus as they say, bringing the South West into the mainstream of Nigerian politics. Has this affected the political fortunes of the geo-political zone?

I will never in my lifetime subscribe to this bogus idea of people saying the victory of the PDP has brought the people of the South West into the mainstream of Nigerian politics. I have never. And I have always quarrelled with those of my friends in the PDP who always bring this kind of argument. There is no time the people of the South West, the Yoruba, have not been in the mainstream of Nigerian politics because of education. Education liberates the man. An educated man is a liberated man. Because of the free education programme pursued by Awolowo, almost 85 per cent of the people of the South West are educated. We have always been in the mainstream of Nigerian politics.

What happened in the South West last year was showing to the world the high level of educational development of the people of the region. They will never agree that any politician or ruler takes them for granted.

People should forget the question of mainstream. What they are trying to say is that in the days of AG and UPN when people were voting for Pa Awolowo, the Yoruba were not in the mainstream. But the Yoruba people had ministers in the centre at that time. Chief Richard Akinjide was a federal minister in the First Republic. He was a federal minister in the Second Republic. The Yoruba have always participated at the centre. What�s the definition of what they are talking about? You will find that the Yoruba are where they are because they are educated enough to defend their positions under whatever situation that they find themselves.

Frankly speaking, do you think PDP deserved its electoral victories in the South West?

Why did the AD lose those elections? I want people to be very objective about these matters. The AD lost because, one, their governors went imperial. They ruled as if the people did not exist. They were sacking workers. They were sacking teachers. They were sacking journalists in their radio stations. And they were expecting that these people would not get members of their families to vote against them. Secondly, they were insulting traditional rulers. They forgot that they have influence in the society. Traditional rulers have a very strong influence in Yorubaland. There is respect for maturity, age and experience in Yorubaland.

Thirdly, they were fighting against themselves. And I will give you instances. In Osun State, we had the Senator Akinfenwa group and the Bisi Akande/Lere Adebayo group. In my area, Gbenga Olugbogi who contested for AD, all those who were opposed to his group voted against him. Senator Akinfenwa also contested for the AD in my area. All those who were opposed to his group voted against him. They were voting for PDP candidates.

Are you going to crucify us for collecting those votes?

Another major factor was that they went into an electoral war without a general. I as an organisational man laughed when they said they were not going to have a presidential candidate. I said the field has been laid open for those of us in the PDP to go the field with our field marshal. Our field marshal for the 2003 general elections was Obasanjo. Of course we went to town to tell them that Obasanjo is their son. And the people rose in support of their son. Attempts had been made to impeach him by those who don�t like him simply because he is Yoruba. So, the people rose in support of their son.

Do you think the PDP can sustain the 2003 electoral victory in the South West?

I�ve always said it. And I�m saying it again, if the PDP governors go imperial, and repeated the same things that the AD governors did, they would crash out like a pack of cards. They would be swept away by the Yoruba people.

You are from the same senatorial district as Chief Iyiola Omisore now in detention in connection with the assassination of the late Chief Bola Ige. He is alleged to be functioning as a senator of the Federal Republic from detention.

(Cuts in) Anything about Omisore is subjudiced. I, as a lawyer, will not discuss anything in connection with a case already in court.

If that senatorial seat s eventually declared vacant, will you show interest in contesting?

As a lawyer, I will not discuss anything in connection with a case already in court.

What do you think the Federal Government means when it talks of security breach? Is it an aborted or a phantom coup?

I too don�t know what Obasanjo means by that. I think the Nigerian people deserve to be informed the detail of what is called security breach. I don�t know what it means. It is a military language. Give us the details.What is very clear is that some people are being questioned for abnormal happenings in government.

One of the explanations given about security breach by Balarabe Musa, chairman of the Conference of Nigerian Political Parties, was that in 1983, Alhaji Shehu Shagari was privy to the coup that ousted him. They just wanted people to talk about coups to deter others from planning one, but it eventually boomeranged. Is this security breach of a thing the same thing, just to put the nation at alert?

I don�t know where Balarabe Musa got his information. I don�t know why he has come to that type of conclusion. Balarabe Musa is free to express his opinions as a political leader in this country just as he is free to canvass for votes under the constitution. But I want to say this;Nigeria is not a banana republic. Everybody in Nigeria has developed what I call the questioning spirit. They will always ask you, why? They will ask you, how? I do not believe that Obasanjo will just wake up even from a bad dream and then conjure an event simply because of what? He�s running the second term and he has said it is his final term. Why is he going to conjure a story; is it to perpetuate himself there? And that is why I�m appealing to the president; let the government come out with a detailed statement to the Nigerian people on what is happening so that Nigerian people may really have the facts of the situation. And let us, for the first time in the history of our country, know that we are having a democracy that is loved by more than 90 per cent of our people; let us, for the first time, have political leaders of different political persuasions and interests come together all the time to build that very strong communication network among themselves to ensure that we do not make mistakes and get our democracy destroyed. And that�s why I�m also appealing to President Olusegun Obasanjo that a meeting of all the parties is important.

What is your personal assessment of the Obasanjo Administration?

Well, you see, my own viewpoints about the Obasanjo administration will be tainted by the fact that I am a PDP member. I have all avenues to reach him. It may therefore be unfair for me now to start criticising him. But having said that, I think we must not fall into the propaganda of the Alliance for Democracy (AD). It is the AD that has been chorusing that Obasanjo has not achieved anything.The problems of this country has been so monstrous that Obasanjo cannot salvage the situation in four, five years. All he�s trying to do is to lay the foundation for a better country. And you have to give him credit for this.

Let me say this clearly, and I have said this several times over, Obasanjo and myself are not friends. Even though we belong to the same political party, we are not friends. He wrote a book: Not My Will. I wrote a book against him: Not His Will. We fought ourselves to a standstill in 1978/79 when he was military head of state. I was one of those who accused his government that the government was not fair about the 1979 elections. So whatever I say about Obasanjo, I want to appeal to the Nigerian people to believe me. There are certain aspects of Obasanjo that I wouldn�t want to touch. Those aspects are his problems. But when you talk in terms of democracy and cementation of democratic principles in Nigeria, nobody can fault the fact that Obasanjo is doing very well there.

Our nation has been virtually destroyed by the various military coups that we have heard in this country. All these military coups have brought different problems that we are still contending with today. At a particular time, Nigeria was treated as a pariah nation. Today, it is not so.

You are an Awoist and Afenifere, yet you feel comfortable being in Obasanjo�s PDP-----

(Cut�s in) Well, Obasanjo has never done anything since he got to power that will convince me that he is anti-Awolowo because if he does so, he knows I will reply. I will reply with facts that I know. I was with Papa Awolowo as director of organisation of the defunct Unity Party of Nigeria for over five years. But he has not done any single thing that will undermine the reputation and good name Awolowo built.


 

 

 


 

 

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