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Amanda: Shouldn't you give Ohafia the benefit of the doubt? All men are not the same. Unless you are talking from an overwhelming and outrageous experience.
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Amanda: I do not think so, that, women are today's weaker sex in our present nuclear society and women's right movement. But the problem is, as in this case, our women have adopted the contemporary times rather than tradition--the way things are suppose to be--to which an Igbo woman respected her husband and knew her role in society, regardless of the status quo.
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Paul, I'm not sure if I know where you're coming from. You need to explain what you mean by "our women have adopted the contemporary times rather than tradition--the way things are suppose to be--to which an Igbo woman respected her husband and knew her role in society, regardless of the status quo".
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Amanda; It means we got carried away by the so-called American syndrome, negating the importance of our roots--where we came from. The staggering divorce rate and men-bashing among our women and other ethnic minorities and immigrants here in the Diaspora totally differs from our other immigrant counterparts, significantly.
Our women changed. Our women abandoned their culture. Our women neglected their responsibilities--their role as mother and nurse--the dual feminine function. The irony is, in other cultures of American diversified communities, such issues as in the case of our women does not arise.
The question here is, are they better off compared to other communities who have respected their culture regardless of the time-frame, academics, providence and their "culture"?
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If you are having a personal issue, I suggest you deal with it, privately.
It seem like you are the one who got carried away by the American/Oyibo syndrome, negating the importance of our roots. Now if high divorce rate is starring you in the face, you have no one to blame but yourself.
I like to isolate this case individually. In this instance, its your. What exactly do you mean "Our women changed. Our women abandoned their culture. Our women neglected their responsibilities--their role as mother and nurse--the dual feminine function"? Hear this today. It is the way you treat a woman that determines how she reciprocates to you. Do you sow wind and not expect to reap whirlwind?
If your mother raised you to have no regard for an Igbo woman, always expecting her to be subservient, catering to your every whim and expecting nothing good in return, while you loaf around and hop from bed to bed with any available woman, you've been sorely mis-trained.
Go back and research the history of Ndigbo, especially, the role of Ndigbo women, before the British showed up at Ndigbo doorstep. You will be shell-shocked to realize that Igbo women are not docile, ignorant slaves by nature. They were the amazons,go-getters, pillars of family, revered by their men, their opinions always sought and deferred to, at critical times.
Yours is a clear mis-education of Igbo male. This miseducation is the fallacious notion that male is supreme, must be catered for, he musn't lift a reciprocating finger, always right, does no wrong, more intelligent, and the list goes on. If you do not make a conscious effort to unlearn these outrageous fallacies you have been fed, you'll always be frustrated with any woman. You'd always bemoan your fate as the fault of Igbo women, who knew better and had moved on.
Let me caution you now. Any unwarranted provocation in mischievious indulgence in Igbo women bashing will be a mistake. If you want your fish-killing dirty linens washed in this public arena, I'll gladly do it for you.
Honest, I'm running as fast as my legs can carry me.
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
I'll protect you with long range missile. I'm still in shock.
Have you forgotten? I'm the only son of my mother in ala bekee!!
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
Cheif MKO didn't cope too well and he knew it. For most of his children (excluding Kola and those from his mother only), they were required not to flunk a paternity test in order to get a chunk of the old man's booty after he croaked. That included the top flight journalist's kids and even those of the one that paid the supreme price. Remember the Ivy League trained daughter that held everbody spell bound on CNN with her mastery of the nuances of the Queen's language (made you wonder why Kola is the head of the family)? To have gotten a penny she would have dragged herself through that debasing process. She probably has done that. How many wouldn't? Evils of polygamy, I'd call that.
Adama, Having posited the above, I'd at the risk of getting you miffed, tell you emphatically that your choice of words (ravish etc.) in describing polygamy were to say the least unfortunate. None of my grandfathers treated their wives that way, couldn't have and yet be reverred the way they are till date. Make you no allow oyibo bleach your grey matter. Polygamy had its merits and demerits, no doubt but it did serve some positive purposes. Note the tense, its history, at least in my own culture.
How did you design that name "Anu nti" for yourself. I must confess your mastery of oyibo is gob-smacking and I could spend a whole day just going through your few postings.
I'm not for polygamy and methinks the late yoruba field marshall had a big problem for him to have spent a good part of the ITT loot in the acquisition of lassies.
By the way tnx 4 the compliments? on the war-liked Ohafia clan. I'm in the midst of a research on why we are the way we are. Our strongest point is our weakest point: lack of diplomacy and if any struggle requires diplomacy, I'm out....."man know thyself" as they say. On a serious note, I've run into quite a few hitches with the oyibos and awusa who can't understand why I won't stoop to lick their yeye boots. You must tell me more about your Ohafia colleagues. SYL mate!
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
Thanks for the compliments (if we'd call it that). Anu Nti, like the relative ease in the use of the imperial master's lingo, was born of circumstances I had no control over. The latter however lays claims to a more dignified pedigree, yours sincerely being a second son of a Roman Catholic Headmaster. Boy, did we study (even if they were just the 3 R�s). There was no difference between the house and the school. In retrospect however, I bless that stalwart of a man daily.
Anu Nti on the other hand was sired by the treatment meted to us on the other web page. It couldn�t sink into the numbskulls of �quota system� reared morons that out here each and everyone had to push his own cart, that the playing also ground was more even (at least ought to have been). Not to be undone, we let it be known that while they owed all they were to the parochial system, we on the other hand could thump our chests and say, in spite of the system, ��.. (rest is history).
Yea, I�d most gladly touch base with you on my Ohafia idols and their Abriba cousins. Which takes me to the fact that Ebitu Ukiwe more than compensates for Chukwumerije, Ofonagoro, Okadigbo, Nwobodo, Mbakwe etc. sell-outs.
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Ohafia: I sure don't blame you. Run for your life because life ain't got no duplicate.
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Tnx 4 looking after my safety(nevermind my freedom). I'm tempted to say you're one good Nigerain.
I'll nominate you 4 the friend of Biafra award.
BTW Amanda and I are still great friends and we enjoy a terrific working relationship. Who knows we might "elect" to take it further if she softens up a bit. I like her a lot
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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Ugali, I hope you have realized that by being prone to thinking the worse, you ended up with the short end of the stick. Eat your heart out. Hahaha.
OU, my love: Since you took your hasty flight into uncertainty, I've elected to fold my arms and watch you manouver it down to a soft landing. Though the softness beneath my tough exterior is disarming, I'm not about to give up on my nut cracker (LOL)!
If you are coming to equity, you do it with clean hands; And if you are coming to OU, you do it without mask. No hard exteriors, with me it's WYSWYG. With Ohafia Udumeze, you come just as you are, the softer the better, I hate pretence and "iru abuo".
Let me wear the trousers, and you the skirt or my mum will get ya !
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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Ou, You gonna need my maximum participation, as I need yours. So, why don't we share the pants and the kilt? I'm afraid constant wearing of skirts would not allow me of my favorite sports of climbing trees and horsing around.
Pretense? Nah, not me. I wouldn't know how, even if I try. I'm straight as an arrow and shoot from the hips! As for your mom, don't worry. She'll like me on contact.
Regarding the mask, I need it like the leopard need its spots. If not, I'm afraid I'd be brazenly chased into your cave by marauding lions. Without the mask, I'd be vulnerable to kidnappings by the ever ready ravenous lions prowling at every corner.
Are you promising to fetch water from the stream for mama and gather fire wood for her?
On the issue of the mask, I refuse to accept your reasons. Don't you know that when you take off your mask and take on my mark that no clown will dare touch you? Why do you take this my name in vain?
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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OU, Better yet, I'd convince her that drilling the water (bore hole) is better. As for fire wood for cooking...it will be a thing of the past. She and I would relish on the joy of cooking with solar stove and grills.
Don't you know my mask comes right off, once I enter your cave? You want other lions out there to glimpse an eyeful and resort to stalking?
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Amanda and Ohafia: I am glad it's working out between both of you. Happy wedlock.
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How about the role of a best man? Just so that when a blow is aimed at me I'll step aside and you can cushion it. How about that!
My lady B,
I hear you on the hitech and stuff. But methinks food cooked with fire-wood tests better and the spring water from Ohafia is definitely better than the bestest of bore holes. However, as a keen student of renewable, I'll convince me mam that solar is za way fwd.
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos Posts: 2644 | From: United Kingdom | Registered: Apr 2001
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Can you send the decoded version of that last posting to my PM;It is 'A' level stuff . Ta!
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
Don't bother, just ignore my last posting as I've just been to the language classes. Gobsmacked !
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos Posts: 2644 | From: United Kingdom | Registered: Apr 2001
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___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos Posts: 2644 | From: United Kingdom | Registered: Apr 2001
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___________________ "We are where we are in large part at the moment, because our self-identified leaders of thought have put us there."----Ukpabi Asika Posts: 321 | From: Athens, Ohio USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Please explain what you mean and don't tell me "ba kwomi"
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
I'd only asked Ugali to explain "what" he meant. There is absolutely no reason to feel insecure. Go and read your PM and come back and tell me I'm the bestest thing that happened to ya...
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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