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My sweetest OU, See how very truly romantic you are? Pleasant is your countenance Sensuous is your voice Coaxing me awake this early morn The sweetest love lullaby I ever heard! Tis a wonderful morn, indeed! I am truly loved
___________________ Forward ever, backward never! Posts: 1874 | From: USA | Registered: Mar 2001
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Ugbua kam mara k'ihunanya gi si di ukwu n'ebem no M g'esi a�a chefue gi? Dika osisi udara si di n'etiti ohia Otua ka gi, onye n'ahum n'anya, di n'ebe umu okoro no O n'amasim idabere n'ahu gi Uto isusu onu gi nasom ka uvune Were oyo nkpuru osisi uvune gbaam ume Werekwa nkpuru osisi udara tutem N'ihi na ihunanya m nwere n'ebe I no N'egbum ka mmanya ngwo
Lee k'isi maa mma nwoke, gi onyem huru n'anya N'ezia, I n'egbu amuma Obim tiri kpum kpum mgbe I sirim, "bilie, obim, onye nkem hukariri n'anya, som". Ihunanyam, I bu nkem, abukwam nke gi I nerughari n'etiti ufiri osisi ugba nke nwere isi uto Mgbe nile n'ime abali n'elu ihe ndinam Kam choro gi, onye obim huru n'anya Ma ahughim gi Agam ebili je Isinweke Site n'owuwa anyanwu umuihi rue n'odida anyanwu lowa A gam acho gi, onye ihe ya na amasim A jurum, "onye huru onyem huru n'anya? Otu ntabi anya, achotawom onyem huru n'anya Amakurum gi, jidesia gi ike, achoghikwam k'ipua Tutu akpobatam gi n'iru nnem, onye murum
Putanu, umu ada Owuwa anyanwu! kiribenu OU, ezem, ebe o kpu okpu eze ya Nke nne ya yibere ya n'ubochi o merem onye o rotara Ubochi nkpuru obi ya �uriri o�u Tetanu, ikuku no n'ugwu Bianu, ikuku no na ndagwurugwu Kuo nu n'ubim ka isi uto gi gbasasia ebe nile Kwee ka onye ihe ya n'amasim bata n'ubim Wee rie nkpuru osisi nkem roputara ya
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos Posts: 2644 | From: United Kingdom | Registered: Apr 2001
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___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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Amanda,come away with me Let's go to Ogbunike cave Not for the missing mace to seek But losing ourselves to ourselves We'll hide in the crevices of the rock With the twinkle in your eyes There'd be no need for light
Amanda, come to Abadaba, Tread beside me in the glassy calm This is no time for a swim 'Tis time to gaze at nothing Nay to gaze at nature You and I are nature Abadaba reflects the sparkle in your eyes
Amanda come away to Biafra And bring a picnick ekete Load epe, uvune and udara Drape the ekete in our flag Let the rising sun be our guide Through the woods of biafra And we'll let our eyes do the talking
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
I can understand your frustration. This your thread will probably win TB's award for the most distracted and hijacked topic thread in the cyberspace.
Mandy,
Bon jour !! Did you sleep well? Don't ask me
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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OU, Mesiere nde. Barely got a shot eye. How could I? With the turbulent storm of yesterday That somersaulted my senses But, all will be calm today
I couldn't agree more. This is the most hijacked and distracting thread ever. Even Paul is scared, and Amucha has given up on us.
I hear you. All will be calm today There'll be no storm Just peace and tranquil
Yeah all will be calm today Even my heart won't beat I'll pretend I'm numb And just gaze into space
All will be calm today The raging storm is over whether it's for a season I couldn't tell
All will be calm today Not that I loose my cool in storm Just that to blow hot n cold Is all part of the fun
All will be calm today Not that I dread adventure Nor I'm I good at backing out Just that I'm feelin' shy.
___________________ Awo's political idea was based on the assumption that any town beyond Owo was Igbo or Hausa. Awo was not socialised; he was not a good mixer because he did not have the opportunity, which the secondary school offered. ~TOS Benson, Baba Oba of Lagos
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OU, Yeah, even my heart is calm Your recipe darling, is so tasty Last night's food brought in sated calm I'll have it again, however hasty
Even as I gaze at you in slumber Wondering if I should let you be My mind slipped away somewhere Where we climbed the chichiba tree Plucking its ripe fruits to slate our hunger
Yes, all is calm today It seem like yesterday When all was like a dream Another life, another time Like island in the stream
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Interesting piece on polygamy. Enjoy. -------------------------------------------- Polygamy! Why we did it (2) By Yetunde Arebi Vanguard Thursday, 28 June 2001 Hi,
polygamy is fast going out of fashion especially as more men are becoming more enlightened and more women more independent. The latest fads in town, such as "born againism" with regards to the two most popular religions in the country. The changes in cultural and societal values are forces that are fast eroding the practice of polygamy as well as many other practices that are perceived to be detrimental to modern dictates.
All these notwithstanding, some men still find themselves caught in this web against their will. Monogamy, despite how hard they tried, just didn�t work out for them. They inevitably find themselves in the arms of another woman. Some have surprisingly gone farther to take a third. The story here is that once you�ve crossed the deadly border between number one and two, then the sky could as well be your limit. By then, the man will be as free as the air he breathes to do as he pleases. It is said that all his women will fall over each other to please him just as it is predicted in the book of Isaiah 41:1: that "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man saying we will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach."
Though this passage seems to be talking about the end time, some are of the opinion that truly the end time is here.
There is also the Qu�ranic teaching wherein the Muslims imbibed the culture that it is best for one man to acquire four women unto himself. Though modern islamic scholars have contested that the clause therein stipulates that such a man must deal with the women equally with justice. A school of thought however says this is not possible for anyone to do. No matter how much he may even try, it is most likely that the women will not believe him and are bound to engage in activities that will thwart his efforts, most, if not all the time.
Already, going by the last population count, women appear to be in the lead, some say with a ratio of four females to one male. A similar picture is to be found in many countries across the world. If these were to be so, what will happen to the left over women when the monogamous status was to apply to all.
Respondents stories on this issue were published last month and contributions from readers have already began rolling in. In this edition we bring you another story from our reader who resides here in Lagos, he explains that there are so many reasons why men go out of their ways and vows to seek the companionships of other women while already married to one.
Remember that if you or someone you know of have had a similar experience. Or you wish to add your voice to this article, please feel free to do so. Just write to: The Human Angle, Vanguard, P.M.B. 1007 Apapa, Lagos. E-mail address: [email protected]. Cheers!
Dear Yetunde,
I have always read your piece with very keen interest. Over the years, my wives too have come to identify me with the page as I never missed the opportunity to buy Vanguard Newspapers and read your column, often some of the advices your readers deal out have come in handy from time to time. I was never moved to the point of picking up pen and paper to send in a contribution until I read the above named caption. I hope you will find this little contribution of mine interesting enough to publish in your highly esteemed column. You are surely doing a good job, please keep it up.
As rightly indicated by the varied contributions of your respondents, one will see that there are so many reasons why men go out of their ways, values and vows to seek the companionship of another woman while already married to one. As the saying goes, there is no smoke without fire. It is the desire of every human being male or female to live a peaceful life devoid of stress and anxiety. However, it is also the responsibility of every human being to live up to the challenges of life. Much as the touted excuses about variety being the spice of life seem to contribute a great deal to the practice of polygamy, other factors, very serious ones do adduce to it so much that they cannot be regarded as fibble nor wished away. A nagging wife is the worst kind of woman a man can find himself saddled with, there is nothing one can do to please such a woman, not until you drop dead, even then she will still find something to complain about. There are so many types of women created by God and on the overall, we know what women are like not to now mention a woman that has that instinct in excess.
My own drift into the state of polygamy did not really have to do with a nasty experience in the hands of any woman, I am a victim of circumstance. I was born an only child of my mother and right from childhood I�d been made to understand that I must provide her with children as early as I could. As I grew older, every girl I dared talk to and brought home instantly became a potential wife to my mother. She would waste no time in telling her to hurry up with whatever was holding us back so that we could make her a grand mother. This kind of anxiety by my mother was responsible for the birth of my first child, a girl born to me by a lady I just couldn�t imagine myself being married to. My mother did not try to force me into marrying the mother but gladly accepted the baby and cared for her. Unfortunately, when I did decided to get married, my first wife died at childbirth and I was saddled with a second daughter without a wife. Two years after, I remarried, but my mother wouldn�t allow the matter rest, to her I was not destined a one man one woman kind of person, I had to have more than one so that when one is not available, the other will be. Mind you, this is not saying anything about death. It could mean desertion or separation or anything like that. If you are an only child of your mother you will know the kind of pressure I�m talking about. Anyway, I soon found myself entangled with another woman.
It was not a very difficult thing because I�d never promised my wife that I will be faithful to her. I neither took her to court or the registry for a marriage to be contracted, I only sought the permission of her parents who were polygamists too. As a woman, she did not like the idea and thereafter nothing I ever did could satisfy her. I did not bring the woman home, I rented an apartment for her and she had two children for me before she left. Each of them wanted me to drive the other away, which I could not do. Eventually, the one outside packed out, I believed because she got a better offer from another man to become his third wife. After her departure, I got another one to replace her but this time, we all lived together.
I had a flat to myself with my steward, while they shared another with their children. The other flats were rented out.
This was where my problems began. There was always trouble in the house. If it is not the mothers, its their children or a combined thing. There was always tension in the air, you know, backbiting, malice and fighting. They were always fighting over one thing or the other. Whenever I am unfortunate to find myself in their midst, they will both beat me up too. It came to a stage when I now became afraid to come home after working hours. I lived perpetually in fear of their squabbles. It finally became so wild that I decided to send them packing. After the quit notice, the first one left and eight months later, the second too packed out. She said people were gossiping that she was responsible for the departure of her mate.
The first (or should I say the third) wife was a banker while the fourth was a teacher. But after marrying them, I introduced them to the world of business and they both had their shops and a car each. Everything was perfect as far as I was concerned.
I married all my wives according to the native law and custom (traditional marriage). It was when I had two of them living together that I realised that there is something wrong with polygamy. Mind you this is from the viewpoint of most women. When they lived apart, I didn�t notice any friction, if there was any. As you know human beings are funny. I did like one better than the other. The senior wife was fond of going out without my knowledge. She could go for days without notice. But the junior one would never try that. Again she was very troublesome, initiating most of the quarrels they had. The other woman had her own vices too, but not a thing that I could not cope with, were she to be an only wife. I had to stick to her (the senior) because of the kids. She was however the first to pack out when I gave them the notice.
I believe I treated them equally to the best of my ability and may God be my witness. I gave the same amount of money to them for their monthly allowance except on special occasions, I never discriminated against them financially. I slept with them on equal basis one week each and where I sleep is where I eat. It was up to you to devise the method to utilise your own week. I think I satisfied them in this aspect too, at least to the best of my ability. When I am ill, they both stay at home to take care of me. I never caught anybody with juju, (native medicine) so, if they were engaging in it, I cannot tell. Ironically, it was the one I loved most that I once caught with a lover. It however did not bother me since I had given them the quit notice then. I would describe myself as a carefree person. I can�t let such things bother me. I will just pretend that nothing has happened.
There are men with four wives and they are coping fine with them. I couldn�t have done more than I did with all of them. All the children stay with me. I clothed and feed my children and they are all in private schools. So I have not suffered my wives in any way.
After their departure in 1990, I remained single for two years before I finally married a young lady early in 1993. Now I have only one wife and I am happy. I doubt if I can marry someone else again because I don�t want to have more children. My new wife has agreed that she cannot have more than two children. I have ten already so, I will have 12 that is enough for me.
I have no regrets. I think the only mistake I made was when I brought two women to reside with me. When they were separated, there was no problem. I would advise younger men not to take more than one wife at a time. And if you must, not under the same roof. It saps a lot of energy from you, emotionally and financially. If you have a peaceful loving relationship with your partner, there is absolutely no need to bring in a third party to destroy what you have. It is a wrong notion that keen competition from the other woman helps to conform the behaviours of the wayward woman. From my own experience, I can say, it adds more to the problem and makes her more nasty. She will begin to show all the traits that you have never seen or imagined from her. Most women are never satisfied with anything no matter how much you give. That is why you will see women even in monogamous relationships who can�t even stand the sight of their in-laws. They want everything for themselves and their children. It is the women that create the problems in polygamous relationships.
Take a look at the lifestyle of the Hausa woman. They are always contented with what they have many of them live in purdah and never complain. They wait patiently for their turn and take care of their husband and children.
There are times that the problems may arise from the man, but basically the women create it. They see us as a battle, which must be won by one person. But this is not so.
A man likes a woman for different reasons and if he likes all of you, why should you want to fight yourselves and not the man. He is responsible for your predicaments, so, it is he that must be confronted.
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I thank our brother who brought this important discussion. God did not consult with any when he created the heavens & earth. He�s omniscience. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis.1: 27 (kjv). If polygamy was his initial plans, no one could remind him. However, he created us as free moral agents, for this reason he dose not compel us to go against our will. Rather he delights to warn us of the impending dangers.
Those of us that came, or married, from polygamous families could, bear witness that it�s not bed of roses. Sometime, is a battlefield. A single woman is sometime difficult to deal with then, five or above will be more difficult. Peace is important to any family. Some, is mini hell. On no occasion will the man have equal love for them, while this remains the only reason the bible warns for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and cleave to his wife and they twain shall be one flesh. Matthew.19: 5. He never said wives. For reference purposes, see Mt.19: 4-5, Mt.10: 6-7, Titus.1: 6, One wife 1Tim.3: 2 & 12, One Hus 1Tim.5: 9 etc, etc.
Polygamy or monogamy,legality or no legality, the important issue is, where will you spend eternity? The lord is about to return to earth, is your heart right with God? Death is eminent by all, and there is no way of escape. The Lord is calling on you to reconcile with him before is too late. I know you might not like this message, beloved of God is a healing to your soul if you heed to his call.
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead who was in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation.20: 11-15. Is your name in the book of life? Yes, you can be hundred percent sure that your name is there. Think about this!
Maranatha.
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The sentence, "God made man in his image" is far reaching and is hardly understood by the greatest majority of people, especially the christians. I do have a little difficulty understanding where you are coming from on your religious writings so far.
Decide where you pitch your tent... Is it in christianity, judaism, islamizm, or traditional religion? Then when you make your point , let it reflect any of the above position. That way, any one interested in responding to your write-up would be able to do so concisely.
To really get into the issue of poligamy and its deterrent, there are preliminary crucial steps to be taken. First, you have to decide if you are (1) a one-Nigerian or (2) a Biafra actualization activists. The making of this choice will determine the next course of action in tackling the poligamy stigma.
If you are a one Nigerian, then you need to take your protest to your law makers starting from the local govt level and all the way to the senate. I should remark that given the level of crude lawlessness and backwardness inherent in Nigeria, you have your work cut out for you.
Should you determine that you are a pro-Biafra activist, then your wish for poligamy-free society takes a totally different dimension. This dimension will see to it that the practice of poligamy is embedded in the Biafra constitution as illegal with stiff punishment attached. Same goes with the inhuman outcast system and the victimization/violation of widows... among other atrocities which are currently practised but are in stiff contrast to the statement, God made man in his own image.
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According to the President of Liberia, sometimes, polygamy is a simple matter of getting your wife to perform her wifely duties. Taylor has said that, as a traditional leader, he is entitled to up to four wives.
quote: According to Liberian tradition, Mr Taylor said it was his wife's responsibility to "fish for a woman and bring her over to him". "If she does not understand the tradition, we can get people here to teach her," he said of the First Lady who did not attend the news conference. �. "I have no intention of insulting my people, I will fulfil my traditional requirement in this country," he vowed, arguing that past leaders did the same.
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I think legalizing polygamy would cut into half many cases of domestic disturbance. My own 2 cents.
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I don't see what the problem is........ If it is part of a persons culture, religion, and if that is what makes him happy then there should not be a problem. Even more so, if God has ordained it then no humans voice can or should be able to override that. In Nigeria and in times before Xtianity came about Nigerians had more than more wife provided they could afford them and take care of them. However, at time also just as it is now. The act of having more than one wife is not to have sexual relations. It was more so to combine and join families to make a stronger tribe, nation, and community. The Constitution says that we have the right to freedom of religion and the pursuit of happiness. Now if this Constitutional right is no longer valid or is being reneged on then it is the United States who should be on trial, not the man and, or his family. I myself have only one wife. That is what God (Olodumare) has ordained and sanctioned for me. What Olodumare (God) Sanctions for others is between those people and Olodumare. Peace and Blessings.
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This is the 21st Century, where more than one wife is never gonna work and has never worked. There is no significant love in the family when you have too many wivies. Or too many children from different mothers because you never get to spend time with your father for fear that he might offend the other children. I ask, when was the last time your father took you to fishing, baseball game, soccer practice and said to you, I love you son? I bet you have no recollection. Or when was the last time your father expressed his love to your mother inspite of other seconds? Only the submissive/poor women with very low self esteem or less educated women will play the role of sloppy seconds. It is time you Africans get it to your knuckle head that polygamy is expensive and outdated both economically and morally. It has no merit but the macho man who is bent on having his erogenous zone [sex] pleasured. Copy?
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What kind of question is this. Polygamy is already legal in our country. When he came to Africa, the white man brought Christianity and monogamy, which in turn brought spousal promiscuity outside the marriage, philandering, and AIDS. Let�s get back to our polygamous roots.
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Uzodinma, this is a question for you to respond. You said it is legal in Nigeria. I probably have my doubts that it is legal. Would you please provide anywhere in the constitution of civil law that proves your claim. I could be wrong. But I would think polygamy in Africa as a whole is a morally accepted practice rather than a legal basis. It will be nice to hear from you.
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Don't ask me to prove the negative. The constitution does not make it illegal to have more than one wife. What is not forbidden is approved. You know that. There is nothing in the constitution specifically making it legal to drink water. Therefore, it is legal to drink water. Zik had two wives; Shagari had many; MKO Abiola had more than 50 wives; Obasanjo has many; Mbakwe had at least two wives. Copy that!
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Uzodinma, you have listed your well educated role models that enslaved half educated women in pretence of wivies, that was the fun part. If I may ask, I could not tell if your a male or female because your name is quite Androgenous. Are you for more than one wife? Because I don't know of any victorian in modern times that will fancy sharing her hubby with another man, unless of course, she is of low level education. I like you to touch base with me on this one.
Hail Biafra
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quote:Originally posted by Waypoint1Biafra: Uzodinma, you have listed your well educated role models that enslaved half educated women in pretence of wivies, that was the fun part.
For your information, the second wife of Azikiwe teaches at Nsukka and she has written several books.
quote:Originally posted by Waypoint1Biafra: If I may ask, I could not tell if your a male or female because your name is quite Androgenous.
No! you may not ask. This is an anonymous forum. I don't care to know your sex, your sexual orientation, your marital status, or anything personal about you. Copy that!
quote:Originally posted by Waypoint1Biafra: Are you for more than one wife?
I have written what I care to write about the issue.
quote:Originally posted by Waypoint1Biafra: Because I don't know of any victorian in modern times that will fancy sharing her hubby with another man, unless of course, she is of low level education. I like you to touch base with me on this one.
Maybe a "victorian in modern times" (whatever that means) will not want to share her hubby. But she does, whether she likes it or not. For your information, Africa, especially Igboland is not "victorian," it is African and polygamous. All those so-called victorian women in the west are all living in polygamous relationships; it is called cheating, and most married men do it. Cheating is polygamy by other means; it is the male rejecting monogamy. Men do it because men are inherently polygamous. If you ask me, cheating is dirtier than polygamy, and monogamy breeds cheating and AIDS.
If you are an Igbo person and you have a wife who cannot have children, you know what your family will do for you next. If during the ensuing conversation you open your fat mouth and talk about some foreign woman named "Victoria," you will promptly become an Efulefu. Now, copy that!
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I am trying to have a meaningful conversation with you but your rebuttal sounds mean spirited and short circuit. Your analogy is wrong, your comparison an absolute wrong. I sense your reasoning or thinking is influenced by your anger. You seem bitter. Mind if I ask why?.
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quote:I ask, when was the last time your father took you to fishing, baseball game....Wayoutthere1
Boy WP1, you are something else, so your dad took you to baseball games somewhere in Abia State? Where do you come off with your type of reasoning buddy?
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Ednut, I will break down to you like a 6 year old. You may substitute the baseball games or fishing to hunting, farming or having a buddy relationship with your Dad.
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