Fellas, I knew that some folks on this board will surely be rattled when I mentioned Anambra State and how disappointed I am with the way those who carried out the Umeh-led coup are from there. But as everyone who is old enough on this board can decifer, unlike some who are good at telling everyone what they wish to hear, I, Nwa Aro on the other hand is not a good student at calling a spoon a spade or vice-versa. So you guys should expect to see Nwa Aro defend his territory if there's need to do so with the likes of Okwy.
Away from that, what I would have loved you guys to rebutt is the FACT that Umeh as a politician who want to rule not only Igboland but Nigeria was credited with such reckless comment and it went uncondemned by you guys as you are doing because Nwa Aro who is a private citizen replied him back. If its a "passive" comment as Ukaobasi want us believe, then why shouldn't Nwa Aro tell his type that we Igbos from other parts of Igboland ARE NO SLAVES NOR STRANGERS? As they say in Igbo, "obu okwu bu tere okwu" (its one comment that brought about a response), so waht I did was to put the likes of Umeh in their RIGHTFUL PLACE. That is what I did, but if you guys dont like it, you could as well see it as a "passive" comment if you believe Ukaobasi's explanation. Coming to this thread which every reasonable person would have decerned that it is USELESS, (since it was started by Okwy with the only motive to rescure one his own own or call it his "hero"), I can however bet with all my money that if Ojukwu were to be someone from another part of Igboland, if no one else will, Okwy would have been the first to call the hangman to hang him even before we hear the whole story! So why the double standard in this case? Your guess is as good as mine.
Talking of Anambra State, it might interest some of you to know that I am a "Nwadiala" there. This fella's (Nwa Aro's) mother is from an Aro community in Anambra State (precisely from Ihiala Local Government), So Nwa Aro's blood is full of Anambra. Hence, Nwa Aro HAS NOTHING AGIANST PEOPLE FROM ANAMBRA STATE OR FROM ANY OTHER PART OF IGBOLAND. Besides, as a home-breed, it is not lost on me that there're Aros scatterd in many towns and villages in Anambra State and in other parts of Igboland as Odili rightly observed.
Coming back again, I would have loved to see this united condemnation from members of this board when Nwa Asaba made a similar miscaculated and sweeping comments about the Aro people and alluded that there was an "accord" reached by other Igbos that NO Aroman/woman will ever rule any part of Igboland. Infact, it is the dead silence and somewhat indirect support of his tirade that made me start questioning how truly united we Igbos on this board are. Unfortunately, I am still doing that brooding.
As to Nwa Aro's political phylosophy, I am guided by no other rule than that we are all born EQUAL and have every right to contest any post or position of our choice. Those who can should review the threads on this board and those at egbeomoduduwa to see how Nwa Aro has stood in support (when they are getting it right) and in condemnation (when they are fumbling) of Igbos, even more so with my fellow Aros (Greg Mbadiwe, Onyeka Onwenu, etc come to mind) politicians.
Bottomline: those who see Igbo as Igbo and want us to be united as I wish we were and pray that we become should demostrate that by praising when their "enemies" are getting it right and condemn when their "friends", "brothers" err.
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The National Working Committee (NWC) of the All Progressive Grand Alliance (APGA) yesterday announced a general amnesty to its presidential candidate in the 2003 elections, Dim Chukwuemeka Odim-uegwu Ojukwu, leader of the faction of the party, Chief Victor Umeh and others expelled from the party for anti party activities. Chairman of the party, Chief Chekwas Okorie, who stated this however said that the general amnesty does not imply that they should assume their official positions, stating that is the decision of the National Executive Committee (NEC) of the party to decide. This came as the northern caucus of the party reiterated its support for the Okorie led NWC, while lampooning Ojukwu for his role in the crisis in the party. The APGA Northern Caucus also want the office of the leader of the party currently held by Ojukwu to be zoned to the north as the southeast cannot hold both office of national chairman and national leader. Addressing newsmen after its NWC meeting at the party national secretariat Okorie who was confirmed as the National Chairman of the party by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) said that the amnesty to Ojukwu, Umeh and others was in the spirit of the season and in the spirit of reconciliation in the party. According to the APGA Chairman, "what has happened in the party to us is a no victor, no vanquished situation. We don't want to claim any victory for any body, to us, it is a victory for the party and in that regard, and we have met and decided that in the spirit of true reconciliation, that every one expelled is hereby granted amnesty. They have been pardoned. Therefore, I will say come back to the party and sin no more. "Though God through INEC has decided this battle in our favour, we shall not appropriate victory alone, we are extending hands of friendship to all our brothers, believing that they will show remorse and return to the party for the overall goodwill and development of the party." Okorie who stated that he is no longer the embattled chairman of the party said that with the recent letter from INEC, "I am now the confirmed national chairman of the party." ------------------------------
Finally, it was the GANG UP AGAINST CHEKWAS OKORIE THAT DID NOT STAND THE TEST OF TIME. Okwy and co who supported this madness (because it was instigated by their demigod, Ojukwu) should bury their heads IN SHAME.
Talking of contributing money, anyone expecting Nwa Aro to make a dime financial donation on this board will be expecting the unexpected. Moreover, one DOES NOT need to pay a dime or be a member of APGA or any party to make comments on a matter that affects the IGBO NATION. For the records, Ojukwu did not say that he is "EzeIgbogburugburu of APGA, rather he claimed to be that of "Eze NDIGBO," so that is why every Igbo has a right and stake in this matter.
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quote:Originally posted by olusolaa: Nti na-anughi anu ihe, mgbe a ga-egburu ishi e gburu nti.
Sola, Who taught you that? Maan,i dey fear you now o!
All, Truely Ojukwu might have some sort of grandeous delusion that he was in control of whatever relationship he was cultivating with Aremu over the APGA crisis.Now,he should know better.He also woefully failed tactically by wrongly prempting his expected invitation to the confab. Umeh is definitely a tactless crook based on his referal to Chekwas state of origin in his venomous statement.As he sought to use Ikemba`s influence to unseat his arch foe Chekwas.Again,Ikemba fumbled that crisis but accepting the Umeh camp.Instead of being a father figure to settle the rift.
Like Ogbunigwe rightly adduced,Okwy`s sentimental opinion to absolve Ikemba of all wrong doing is definitely his own personal opinion and has no link whatsoever to be set up as Abia vs Anambra crisis. Nwa aro`s venom truely raises the most frightening and indeed biggest obstacle to the achievement of the Biafran Independence.Nigeria`s problems have been blamed on Awolowo who exactly in the same venomous manner sensitized the west to see Igbos as different and cannibals.We as Igbo people MUST do away with the post colonial balkanisation of Igboland. Resist and condemn in the strongest terms those agents who attempt to plant the same evil seed of statism, nepotism ,tribalisms,skin colour shades,dialect variations or whatever division tactics that had ruined Nigerian unity amongst our own Igbo people.
quote:high brow extremely academic analyses being capably applied by Ukaobasi, Greg, and Father John, all of which lack any foundations in fact or reality.
Thank you for the compliment, I think. For me, it was not a matter of only absolving Ojukwu, but to be able to preserve something of what he once meant to all Igbo. I dare say, if his trial had not been in the court of public opinion, he might have been aquitted of most of the charges against him, many of which are based on imaginary motivations, not yet proven, but accepted by too many for an advocate to make any fruitful defensive argument. At some point, people who have already made up their minds just fold their arms and stop listening to anything other than what they already believe. It is at this point that the venue of a trial must be changed in order to get a fair one, for in the words of many defense advocates, "my client cannot get a fair trial in this state." Such has been the case with Dim Ojukwu at BNW. Your views, Leo, and those of Nwa Aro, and of many others form the "foundation in fact and reality" for this declaration and complaint I could make, and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW, and I think, if this was a courtroom, he would be granted a change in venue to assure that he gets one.
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quote: The fact that you are absolving that moron of any blame on this matter is indeed worrisome.
I honestly don�t think Leo absorbed anyone's unpopular opinion vis-�-vis Anambra/Abia comments, his only allusion was this thread which to me was duplicitous since a relative one exists too. Our comrade Okwy should have continued on the thread started by Uka even as I acknowledge this shouldn�t have warranted the acrimony towards him. Okwy is not Ikemba, neither is he Okorie or umeh so the loaded attack was misdirected as many commentators already pointed so let�s end this, enough should be it right about now, guys. Ojukwu ERRED and I hope he sees the new effort by Okorie to restore his lost prestige without allowing himself to be misguided again by umeh who by all known norm is a menace to our advancement.
To those responsible:
The childish insinuation that Asaba and beyond are not Igbo should desist if we expect our adversaries to see us as serious in our fight to actualize our dream nation. Also, Ikwerre man is a bonafide Igbo I see their sometimes about face as a consequence of our failure to come out of that war victorious. Please let us bring an end to the bad habit of poking porn of another Igbo's genesis. Aro, Asaba, Ikwerre etc all have equal rights on anything pertaining to the Igbo so let the wise lend their ears.
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METAMORPHOSIS (NOT BY FRANZ KAFKA), & DESPERADOISM
Pupaetion from Larva stage
quote:Originally posted by NwaAro:
....you guys have to review the "Ojukwu is a Traitor" thread to read where Umeh told Chekwas Okorie to "go back to Abia State... (or something in that line)" to understand the mind-set of those folks from Anambra State. .....That unfortunately is the reason why Okwy like Ojukwu saw Okorie as an "outsider" who should be short-changed for a Yoruba. So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why Ojukwu who often spoke in Igbo language at public foras decided to speak in Yoruba when Chekwas was around.
Catalyst
quote: Originally posted by Ukaobasi:
......Umeh's having "told Okorie to go back to Abia" is only an after-thought of an excuse that has now been latched onto by those having nothing more to add to the litanny of abuse who wish to open up the Anambra vs.Abia vs.Delta vs. Ebonyi vs. Enugu vs. Imo vs. Rivers dimension of untapped opportunities
Adult stage
quote:Originally posted by NwaAro:
.......If its a "passive" comment as Ukaobasi want us believe, then why shouldn't Nwa Aro tell his type that we Igbos from other parts of Igboland ARE NO SLAVES NOR STRANGERS? As they say in Igbo, "obu okwu bu tere okwu" (its one comment that brought about a response), so waht I did was to put the likes of Umeh in their RIGHTFUL PLACE. That is what I did, but if you guys dont like it, you could as well see it as a "passive" comment if you believe Ukaobasi's explanation
Finally Nwa Aro decides to mention "Ukaobasi" by name. In Nwa Aro’s world: only an after-thought of an excuse = "passive" comment. IS THIS THE MOST DESPERATE MEASURE AVAILABLE??? HOW ABOUT SOME BOLD HYSTERICAL CAPITAL LETTERED WORDING FOR ME TOO!!!
Was wondering For sometime I was beginning to wonder who the following character or personage was:
"Some"
"Those"
"Others"
"anyone"
"They"
"the type of Igbos whom we must keep in check if Igboland must progress"
"their errand boys from other parts of Igboland"
"inAUTHENTIC, unORIGINAL and PROUD Aroman on board"
"Ojukwu apologists"
"Ojukwu worshippers"
"Ojukwu errandboys"
"Ojukwu diehards"
Okwy has only made a couple of posts, in addition to this wonderful thread, but "Some", "Those", "Others", "anyone", "They", "Ojukwu apologists", "Ojukwu worshippers", "Ojukwu errandboys", "Ojukwu diehards" etc. have sure taken some unwarranted abuses. Now NwaAro finally mentions “Ukaobasi”?
QUESTION:
So Nwa Aro, does Arondizuogu no longer count as authentic and original in Aroness?
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quote:Originally posted by UKAOBASI: My "facts and reality" maybe totally different from yours. Whose is right? Nobody knows, only time will tell.
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The other reality staring me in the face is that before I demand accountability from Chekwas, Ojukwu, Umeh, and co for having "let me down" "betrayed my trust", "sold out", "betrayed Igbos", "subjected Igbos to ridicule", "allowed Obasanjo to outsmart them", etc... (Umeh's having "told Okorie to go back to Abia" is only an after-thought of an excuse that has now been latched onto by those having nothing more to add to the litanny of abuse who wish to open up the Anambra vs.Abia vs.Delta vs. Ebonyi vs. Enugu vs. Imo vs. Rivers dimension of untapped opportunities ). Before demanding accountability has anyone including those foaming at the mouth with venomous and rabied outbursts against Ojukwu, Umeh, APGA, Anambrarians, Zik, Ojukwu apologists, un"original Aro"s etc.., asked themselves the following?:
What have we done for APGA lately?
How much continuous funding have we provided to assist APGA and help it maintain relative independence from ill intentioned infiltration and negative external influence?
What other well funded, Igbo/S.southern agenda bearing, all Igbo/S.southern elite funded, Igbo/S.southern grassroot funded, all Igbo/S.southern operated, Efulefu free, "Nigeria" reflecting, political party do we have waiting in the wings to supplant APGA?
How many have spent sleepless nights in strategy sessions with Chekwas Okorie and 71 yr. old Ojukwu and what genius did they contribute or have been contributing to reconcile many of the oxymorons in the immediate previous question?
Do we even know how and by which major donors APGA is being funded, and when last did we inquire?
Do we know what deals have been made, and with what devils just to be able to keep the party financially afloat?
Do we know for how long such deals have existed, and what was bargained away as compromise?
What tangible help has been accorded Ojukwu to "lead" the Igbo nation, other than "moral support"?
Have these questions been asked? Isnt it obvious that without demonstrating how we have previously dwelt upon these issues, the best we can do is make thorough inquiry before bandying allegations?
We can only therefore either propose our ways to handle the situation or go to our inner chambers and brood. Some could even make brisk business by making Ojukwu, Chekwas, Umeh, and APGA posters with targets on them (like the Osama bin laden type) which some can purchase and then throw darts at to relieve their tension, the other option is to balkanize Igboland into states where Igbos are (largest) minorities so that PDP can represent our interests, that way, all those "Ojukwu errand boys", "Ojukwu apologists", and injustice mongers like them would cease to bother us all.
Ukaobasi my brother:
No biting at all. Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem. Has it occured to you that there may have been some people or groups who were working to do exactly the things that you proposed? Where does Ojukwu's behavior leave such efforts? Besides, it is the responsibility of those who seek to lead to speak openly and clearly about what they need from their supporters. What have Ojukwu and APGA asked for lately that they did not receive?
As for,
quote:My "facts and reality" maybe totally different from yours.
I should hope that facts are more sacred than that. I have tried my best to resolve all the credible information available on the Ojukwu/Chekwas/Confab saga in favor of Ojukwu. Each time, the attempt leads to a shameful absurdity. That is enough to show where the truth lies.
Ogbunigwe:
I refuse to be goaded into a joust of the Enugu vs. Imo/Anambra/Ebonyi/Abia kind. As far as I am concerned, such a crass discussion is a foreseeable objective of the originator of this thread; anything to distract attention from the mess his hero has made.
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quote:Nti na-anughi anu ihe, mgbe a ga-egburu ishi e gburu nti.
Sola, Who taught you that? Maan,i dey fear you now o!
Njiko, I consult various sources for knowledge acquisition, internet, friends etc. I understand it meant "The ear that refuses to listen will go when the head is eventually cut off.
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.... Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem.
Indeed my brother, it is part of the problem as one of my brothers Wacko in this case excerpted that same exact quote in questioning Ojukwu's Igbo allegiance, given his most recent actions. My use of it was exactly to remove the focus from Ojukwu alone and share it amongst those who seek to cast their barrage of boulders and daggers. That is why I followed with the contextual questions.
quote:I should hope that facts are more sacred than that. I have tried my best to resolve all the credible information available on the Ojukwu/Chekwas/Confab saga in favor of Ojukwu. Each time, the attempt leads to a shameful absurdity. That is enough to show where the truth lies.
Leo my brother,
On the one hand you rightly express the hope that facts should be sacred. On the other hand your subsequent comment implies that impatience at recieving a reassurance in favor of Ojukwu given the absurdities emanating from this whole affair warrants an automatic judgement of guilt on the basis of actual facts which we still do not have.
My brother I hope that my understanding in that interpretation is not so, because that would equally be disturbing given the frenzied orgy of self immolation which Igbos have inflicted upon themselves using rage against Ojukwu as justification.
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Quote: ----------------------- "...such a crass discussion is a foreseeable objective of the originator of this thread; anything to distract attention from the mess his hero has made.---Leo. -----------------------
I couldn't have put it any better. You could see the diversion from what Ojukwu and co did to what Nwa Aro said or should have said. Even a kindergarten kid reading on this board since this AVOIDABLE crisis started will see that there are people on this board who have tried all they could or imagined to confuse issues. But good enough, the main issue keep coming back like an inflated ball. One consolation though is that the ELECTED chairman of APGA (and recognizes as such by most Nigerians and the world) REMAINS the head of that party.
As I earlier told the Ojukwu camp on another thread to the effect that if this is a war, that they will LOSE and lose BIG TIME, after all said and done, one doesn't not need to be a referee to know which camp, the COUPISTS led by Umeh-Ojukwu or the legitimate government headed by an ELECTED Chekwas Okorie that won at the end of the day.
So those who tried AND FAILED to mislead the Igbo people (by taking side with Ojukwu)) could either be men and accept that they, like their 'hero' GOT IT WRONG, or alternatively, continue with the "nwoke lusia ogu, nwayi ewere akuko" (when men finish fighting women start analysing) type of crassy discussion which they are now engaging in. Ofcourse, only a lazy man will have time to listen/read or attend to such NONSENSE.
Finally, as far as I am concerned and I am sure majority on this board could agree, this matter came to a happy end (for the pro-Chekwases) when Chekwas Okorie made the following TRUIMPHANT DECLARATION:
Quote: ---------------------- Okorie who stated that he is no longer the embattled chairman of the party said that with the recent letter from INEC, "I am now the confirmed national chairman of the party." ----------------------
Ka Chineke mezie okwu! I'm out.
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Nwa Aro chose to deprive me of some of those select capital letters. Now he leaves "Ukaobasi said", and reverts to:
"Some"
"Those"
"Others"
"anyone"
"They"
"the type of Igbos whom we must keep in check if Igboland must progress"
"their errand boys from other parts of Igboland"
"inAUTHENTIC, unORIGINAL and PROUD Aroman on board"
"Ojukwu apologists"
"Ojukwu worshippers"
"Ojukwu errandboys"
"Ojukwu diehards"
Now true to usual top notch form Nwa Aro not only had foreseen it all, he had foretold it all as in:
quote:As I earlier told the Ojukwu camp on another thread to the effect that if this is a war, that they will LOSE and lose BIG TIME, after all said and done, one doesn't not need to be a referee to know which camp, the COUPISTS led by Umeh-Ojukwu or the legitimate government headed by an ELECTED Chekwas Okorie that won at the end of the day
So thats what happened?
QUESTION:
So Nwa Aro, does Arondizuogu no longer count as authentic and original in Aroness?
Dont run my brother!
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The nigerians attempted to damage the psyche of Igbo people at the end of the war using resources extracted from our territory to bribe many of us to deny our identity. It used to be worse right after the shooting stopped in 1970, when the Igbo man from Ikwerre and Ahoada in particular, would tell you "onye Igbo naba ebe gi." Can you make sense out of that? The Onitsha man who worked with me in the bank in Lagos in the mid '70s used to call those of us from Owerri "onye Igbo", and claimed he's Onitsha not Igbo. umeh wasn't joking when he told Okorie to go back to his Aba village. He's similar to the Igbo man from Onisha Ugwu, Steve Nwabuzor, who once wrote to his audience at egbomoduduwa.com that he was not Igbo.
So who is Igbo? Only he who speaks Onitsha or Ikwerre, Owerri, Asaba, Abriba, Ndoki, Arochukwu, Ngwa, Etche, Mbaise, etc. That is the Igbo man's folly!!
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quote:....... and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW.....
Greg
Have you wondered what made the "big boys" of BNW either silent or come out against Ojukwu? I am talking of people who have staked there reputation on supporting Ojukwu such as OU, Damian, Chiboy?
Could they possibly have information not available to you?
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My brother, any attempt by me to let the world know how offended I was to read the bull jive by umeh would only revive my pain. This hopeless nonentity had the temerity to insult Okorie who�s been there for the Igbo while Ikemba looked on or tilted towards the same folks that eventually undermined him for the gazillion times. Odi kwa nu egwu oooo! In my post on another thread �APGA CRISIS: CHEKWAS OKORIE, UMEH, OJUKWU, ND'IGBO� posted February 01, 2005 11:22 PM, based on umeh�s baby cry about Okorie and repeated here, � He knows Chekwas is alone, abandoned. What he should do is to pack his load and go back to his village in Abia State. � So, let him apologise publicly and I am asking his people to go to Abuja and take him home. � Umeh.� I stated, �People, now, this has gone too far overboard! So, Umeh now sees this thing as �his people� not Igbo or APGA anymore? Guys, these fly-by nonentities in the person of this hopeless Umeh chap is the reason outsiders laugh hard at us. Why suddenly there�s this division, Abia and Anambra or is it Nnewi? This is wrong and must be condemned by all. The emphasis on Okorie�s state of origin so-called is uncalled for if you ask me. Are we still Igbo or should I now only write to defend the interest of my state IMO, which has been relatively calm despite the day light robbery by udenwa, iwuanyawu, nzeribe??? Boy, these boys are severely deficient when it comes to intelligence. Ikemba should tread very, very cautiously because this Umeh comes across to me as a big time shouter/otinkpu/sycophantic JOBBER. Ojukwu please listen to the voices on the street and be wary of the new jokers in town!
Isn�t it wonderful that the prophesy in the Holy Book is definitely coming to pass?
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quote:Have you wondered what made the "big boys" of BNW either silent or come out against Ojukwu? I am talking of people who have staked there reputation on supporting Ojukwu such as OU, Damian, Chiboy?
Could they possibly have information not available to you?
I have no doubt that what you wrote may be true. But please understand, I was merely expressing an opinion based on my understanding of jurisprudence. My own feelings are pretty much echoed by MeBiafran these days, and Chiboy. Ojukwu bears most, if not all of the responsibility for what went down in APGA recently, and I can't excuse him for that. But his intentions I believe were basically good, no matter how misguided he may have seemed to be in hindsight. I honestly believe that he thought he could do a better job for Igbos than anyone else, and wanted the honor of that service. In the process of seeking it, he miscalculated and mis-judged. The results(paraphrasing Chiboy) have been, at the least, uncomplimentary to him and his constituency. He should take responsibility for these hurtful divisions and do whatever it takes to unite Igbos, even if it means humbling himself. But if all of the things he has been accused of were to be tried here at BNW, he could not get a fair trial in the purest sense of what that means. That's all I'm saying.
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No biting at all. Your Jannet Jacksonesque question of the "what have you done for me lately?" mould may be a part of the problem.
--Leo
Yes, it is part of the problem as clearly shown by Ojukwu's half a million donation to APGA. I saw his donation as the price tag for factional chairmanship of Umeh's APGA. I have searched my news collection fruitlessly for other instances when Ojukwu donated money to APGA. Surely, we can or should debate funding Igbo politics but I don't think Ojukwu's recent actions could have been prevented by just doling out money to him.
What Ojukwu has done for APGA lately
quote: I write to acknowledge your letter dated 12/1/2005 in which you intimated, amongst other points, that I have been offered the post of chairman, Board of Trustees of our great party. With all humility, I beg to accept the offer and I assure you that I will endeavour to carry out my duties in an exemplary fashion. In order to assist in the very arduous task of bringing stability to our great party, I most humbly donate this token sum of N500,000 to urge an early meeting of the party�s national convention so as to put a complete stop to the present public squabbling.�
quote:Surely, we can or should debate funding Igbo politics but I don't think Ojukwu's recent actions could have been prevented by just doling out money to him.
CSE my brother,
With that comment above, I think we may now be beginning to go around in circles.
The context of my response to Leo should be taken in the totality of the bulletted points that accompany it, so as not be viewed too simplistically.
I dont know who among Ojukwu's critics have been "doling" out money to him, and fear that you totally overlooked that response to Leo which was not about money but about the true responsibilities of ownership.
PERSPECTIVE? SAME!
The position that I have consistently maintained on this board in regard to my guardedness about rubishing Ojukwu with the supposed justification that he welcomed it against himself stands firm in that; I'm against it! regardless of how popular it may be to rubbish him now and into infinity, and how unpopular it may be to encourage caution.
In fact my position has not only maintained a seemingly overwhelming unpopularity rating, its very adamance appears to now court the deliberate misrepresentation and commensurate attacks of mischiefmakers which only makes it even more well dug in.
THE SCENT OF BLOOD; A FEEDING FRENZY: CAUTION!!!
Ojukwu must not be rubbished, just because many smell blood, and in their estimation, he has fallen low and has turned into damaged goods, Insignificant as it were.
Those who have his ear can question him so we may better understand what happened and his rationale. there is nothing wrong with this.
Likewise Umeh must also be questioned for wrongdoing. public opinion does not even bother to accord him relevance anymore, but he is not absolved from thorough and transparent accounting by default of hating him.
ACCOUNTABILITY MUST BE WELL SPREAD
Chekwas Okorie must likewise be questioned. he may have committed wrongdoing and as we have been told about Ojukwu, Chekwas himself is not infallible, and will not be worshipped by Igbos, but I will not go as far as rubbishing him as I reserve for the likes of Iwuanyanwu or Nzeribe.
Those who display incredullity at the audacity to even question Chekwas (now characterized amusingly as a poor, lowly, downtrodden, loyal, underdog who saved Ojukwu from SSS and made him a public figure in "Nigerian politics", hated for being from Abia, and victimized to dejection by Umeh's badmouthing) are either opportunistic at worst or at best sorely mistaken. Chekwas must give account for the unresolved issues which he may still not have addressed, failing to do this whether he's innocent or not does not make him look any better.
If the so-called "Ojukwu worshippers", had dispensed upon Chekwas even a fraction of the rubbishing Ojukwu has been subjected to (because he apparently went to mount olympus to accept the title "gburu-gburu" thus making him automatically more culpable than Chekwas for all violations even if possibly committed by Chekwas) the heavens would have fallen by now given the frenzied outbursts by several members of this board who are chagrined at the thought that Chekwas must now subject himself to scrutiny and put a stop to the unnecessary and unbecoming gamesmanship.
AT THE END OF THE DAY
Something went wrong. The APGA that may emmerge under Umeh is doomed, and similarly the APGA that will emmerge under Chekwas is doomed. This is as simple as it can get. Those who are consumed by a spirit to rubbish Ojukwu may continue. Even if they gorge on it, there would still be that appetite level at which point they may need to loosen their belts and trousers to at least make room for the final swallow. Let them have at it, those who will discern already undertand.
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I don't see the need to resort to courtroom analogy here.
quote:Originally posted by Greg:
I dare say, if his trial had not been in the court of public opinion, he might have been aquitted of most of the charges against him, many of which are based on imaginary motivations, not yet proven, but accepted by too many for an advocate to make any fruitful defensive argument. At some point, people who have already made up their minds just fold their arms and stop listening to anything other than what they already believe. It is at this point that the venue of a trial must be changed in order to get a fair one, for in the words of many defense advocates, "my client cannot get a fair trial in this state." Such has been the case with Dim Ojukwu at BNW. Your views, Leo, and those of Nwa Aro, and of many others form the "foundation in fact and reality" for this declaration and complaint I could make, and I repeat, Dim Ojukwu cannot get a fair trial at BNW, and I think, if this was a courtroom, he would be granted a change in venue to assure that he gets one.
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But if all of the things he has been accused of were to be tried here at BNW, he could not get a fair trial in the purest sense of what that means.
Ojukwu is a public figure, not a defendant in a civil or criminal case. If we could call this a trial, then Ojukwu, as a public figure, is being appropriately tried in the BNW Court of Public Opinion.
The supposition that one's client cannot receive a fair trial in a given forum is filed before the trial, not afterwards. We all know that before this latest incident, even Ojukwu himself could not have shopped for a better forum than BNW; it was at BNW he was hailed the greatest when others jeered him. Thus, it is not the forum, but the outcome that Greg is complaining about.
The currency of public service is credibility, and the trust of the led, two items that Ojukwu's chagrined followers find in short supply about Ojukwu as he has dealt with the APGA crisis, the Obasanjo Owambe Confab, and related issues.
Ukaobasi:
I hope you understand the can of worms you are opening when you laid down your 8-point bulletin. Ojukwu has for years been receiving funds and other perks from various Igbo organizations and individuals, and he has on account that he is "Igbo leader" received compensation from Abuja, from Abacha. Should we now also be demanding accounting for that which was taken from Abuja in our collective name?
When a leader campaigns for and receives the support of a constituency, he becomes subject to their scrutiny and the responsibilities of his agency in their behalf attach irrespective of the accrual to him of additional benefits, especially benefits not promised to him during his campaign. That is why this notion of yours is anathema - the notion that a constituency's right of ownership of a leader's agency and its right to demand the leader's basic loyalty should of necessity impose additional burden on the constituency. It would reduce the ascendancy of the leader to a license to extort the constituency.
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"If the so-called "Ojukwu worshippers", had dispensed upon Chekwas even a fraction of the rubbishing Ojukwu has been subjected to (because he apparently went to mount olympus to accept the title "gburu-gburu" thus making him automatically more culpable than Chekwas for all violations even if possibly committed by Chekwas) the heavens would have fallen by now given the frenzied outbursts by several members of this board who are chagrined at the thought that Chekwas must now subject himself to scrutiny and put a stop to the unnecessary and unbecoming gamesmanship."
Ukaobasi
I hate to say this but the above falls far short of your esteemed analysis on this forum. Are we to assume you truly believe Chekwas Okorie had the same standing with Ojukwu in the minds of many an Igbo before the APGA fallout ? Even the good book says to whom much is given much is expected, why should we even be at a situation where we are second guessing Ikemba on account of his fallout with a 49 year old upstart politician ? I think you may be missing the source of the scrutiny currently being put on Ojukwu. Let enumerate my owns views which I think are behind the in your own words " rubbish Ojukwu campaign".
- Ikemba went to Abuja on a mission we know nothing about and came home singing a new song. That he will attend the conference/jamboree wether by appointment, nomination or election, even when many including some on this board had questioned the wisdom behind Obasanjo appointing people to represent Ndigbo. Many felt this was uncharacteristic of Ojukwu who was hitherto known to be more discerning. The fact that Chekwas claimed he caught him speaking Yoruba with Obasanjo in my opinoin was only secondary and not the root cause of the current scrutiny.
- That Ojukwu joined and donated money to a faction of APGA known to be led by no goods (Umeh) in addition to haven recently attracted the likes of Jacob Nwokolo( a man he jailed in Biafra for Sabo activities). I didn't hear people say he should stick to Chekwas but I heard a lot of people say he ought to have been neutral and should have resolved the fracas in a quiet manner rather than going to hotel presidential to convict Chekwas. That action was definetly bound to potray Chekwas as a victim and under dog and given Umeh's "go back to Abia" statement which Ojukwu did nothing to correct the stage was set for the other no goods like Nwa Aro to finish off the division. In my opinion this action by Ojukwu was once again uncharacteristic and he should be held fully responsible for failure of leadership on the matter.
- Finally having told us a fews years back that Ohaneze was finished just like he proclaimed Chekwas finished, at the prompting of ABC Nwosu an Abuja oriented Igbo leader with close ties to Obasanjo, Ojukwu turns around on that statement and makes an appearance at Ohaneze with the promise that he will lead Ndigbo. Where does that leave INA and those who have directed their political ideology towards supporting it as a good alternative to Ohaneze ? Nobody likes to be left carrying the bag so there are bound to be questions asked. Would a kid not have known that Ohaneze with life long opportunists in its ranks is not the kind of establishment that would make provisions for Ojukwu, and did ABC Nwosu ever pay him a visit when SSS was harrasing him not to talk of when he was a minister? These are the questions people are asking. The person whose character is on trial here is not Chekwas and even if he was brought into the picture not many would be willing to expend much energy on him as he is yet to acquire the level of goodwill and trust bestowed on Ojukwu by Ndigbo.
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THANK YOU! I wish some of our brothers would take a break to review from beginning how this was started. In that spirit, here is what I had to say on Jan 31, 2005 regarding the mistake Ikemba was about to make then. How anyone especially Ikemba would still have some level of trust on aremu given his knack for a quick 360 beats the hell outta me. The resultant outcome was expected by some of us that refused to see obasanjo as a responsible person.
quote: My position regarding this ugly development is already shared and I don�t wish to add anything more until my �friend� Jewel/othniel brings his narrow tail back in the room to explain certain things to me. Suffice here with each side having some points and I just honest to God hope that in the end the Igbo as whole benefits from this messiness. And to our brothers who may personally know Ikemba or related to him, please inform him of the need to thread very, very, very cautiously with aremu for our people said it better with �onye ya na ekwensu n�eri nri na eji ngaji ogologo.� Because, �adigi ama ihe kpara nkụ tiye na nmiri, asi na ọwụ nwa ewe.� - posted January 31, 2005 09:47 PM. APGA CRISIS: CHEKWAS OKORIE, UMEH, OJUKWU, ND'IGBO
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quote:Ojukwu must not be rubbished, just because many smell blood, and in their estimation, he has fallen low and has turned into damaged goods, Insignificant as it were.
For as much as I have agreed with MeBiafran and Chiboy about Ikemba's heightened responsibility in the APGA crisis, I must equally agree with your statement above. If we demand more of an accounting from Ojukwu because he is EzeIgbo and gburugburu, we must, in the same vein, because of the honor we accorded him, be patient enough to allow him more time to personally bring to light the reasoning for his actions, rather than through public opinion, make him scramble for cover like some political upstart. Mind you, there is a lot he will have to explain, but we ought to be willing to allow him room to give dignified responses without having him further damage his image by running to the newspapers as the only hope of damage control.
To date, the Ikemba has suffered a major political and public relations defeat, but that is no reason to abandon his body to mutilation and desecration by stragglers, whose idea of victory is to plant his severed head atop a pole and parade it through town. Even in the good book, if a king was unpopular, he was still buried with honor.
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quote:If we demand more of an accounting from Ojukwu because he is EzeIgbo and gburugburu, we must, in the same vein, because of the honor we accorded him, be patient enough to allow him more time to personally bring to light the reasoning for his actions, rather than through public opinion, make him scramble for cover like some political upstart. � Greg
It is this excuse upon excuse, believe it or not that keep getting some of our comrades in the house riled to the point of making uncomplimentary comments towards Ojukwu. That said, it would be wrong for any Biafran to resort to direct and hurtful insults on our elder statesman, but this should not stop us from questioning his judgment as relates to the APGA nonsense he helped to cultivate. Ikemba had all the time he needed to set the record straight instead he used that time to adjudge Okorie guilty at the mini-owambe at Presidential Hotel, Enugu just few days ago even before any courts determines such to be the case. Is Ojukwu now the Judge? Did he show to the world the documents used to �convict� Okorie or is this a case of bamboozling someone whom they thought was a small fish? Please, please let�s stop this, the truth is there for all to see and this writer has seen it. Isn�t the burden to convince the world about Okorie�s mishandling of APGA funds rests solely on umeh and co? How much time does Ojukwu need to show us how he came to that conclusion that Okorie was guilty? The man is yet to play his expected fatherly role even after Okorie extended an olive tree (forget branch) to him. C'mon!
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quote:The currency of public service is credibility, and the trust of the led, two items that Ojukwu's chagrined followers find in short supply about Ojukwu as he has dealt with the APGA crisis, the Obasanjo Owambe Confab, and related issues.
Joy,
This quote above has indeed been very well put, yet there must be a day after as I've alluded in the past.
GATHERING THE BROKEN PIECES OF OUR FORTUNES
I still continue to view this debacle, not as the shock of a sudden discovery that Ojukwu is afterall a devil incarnate, a fanged unrepentant child eating cannibal, who has now been exposed as lacking in credibility to boot, but as an awakening about our real standing as Igbos, and the manner in which we gather the broken pieces of our fortunes in the day after, finally, how we exercise our will beyond the tendency toward unguarded reactive outburst and easy scapegoating.
quote:I hope you understand the can of worms you are opening when you laid down your 8-point bulletin. Ojukwu has for years been receiving funds and other perks from various Igbo organizations and individuals, and he has on account that he is "Igbo leader" received compensation from Abuja, from Abacha. Should we now also be demanding accounting for that which was taken from Abuja in our collective name?
Joy,
Here was my response to an earlier posting by CSE:
quote: I dont know who among Ojukwu's critics have been "doling" out money to him, and fear that you totally overlooked that response to Leo which was not about money but about the true responsibilities of ownership.
MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND CLARIFICATIONS
In that response I merely tried to elicit the realization that many who now castigate Ojukwu possess no real currency to do so, nor do they recognize the continuing damage they inflict whose pieces must surely still be picked back up by someone on the day after. Thus beyond the free-for-all unguarded reactive outbursts lies a responsibility of ownership which would compel Igbos to clean up after the mess by starting at this point to ensure that less of a mess to cleanup exists, and which now more than ever beckons us to greater involvement than we imagined, in order to posess the currency to maturely exert our will more directly and prevent any other similar future backlash against any other future mortal which backlash in the end actually reflects our collective failure and shame (even demonstrating helplessness rather than empowerment) rather than that of the mortal whom the mob merely seeks to scapegoat/lynch/crucify just to satiate its fury.
As to the “can of worms” regarding financial assistance to Ojukwu from sundry sources, I believe you misunderstood my bulletin, so here is the complete list of it, and what I meant by “responsibility of ownership”:
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What have we done for APGA lately?
How much continuous funding have we provided to assist APGA and help it maintain relative independence from ill intentioned infiltration and negative external influence?
What other well funded, Igbo/S.southern agenda bearing, all Igbo/S.southern elite funded, Igbo/S.southern grassroot funded, all Igbo/S.southern operated, Efulefu free, "Nigeria" reflecting, political party do we have waiting in the wings to supplant APGA?
How many have spent sleepless nights in strategy sessions with Chekwas Okorie and 71 yr. old Ojukwu and what genius did they contribute or have been contributing to reconcile many of the oxymorons in the immediate previous question?
Do we even know how and by which major donors APGA is being funded, and when last did we inquire?
Do we know what deals have been made, and with what devils just to be able to keep the party financially afloat?
Do we know for how long such deals have existed, and what was bargained away as compromise?
What tangible help has been accorded Ojukwu to "lead" the Igbo nation, other than "moral support"?
Upon taking a closer look one is then hard pressed to locate where an inference was made about “doling” out funds to Ojukwu which appears to have formed the basis of your opinions about “anathema” in that second paragraph if I’m not mistaken. The entire list dealt contextually with the party whose salvaging even from this point remains an Igbo responsibility. What I did mention (as highlighted) and w.r.t “tangible” help for Ojukwu could be interpreted more correctly by asking: What needs does Ojukwu have in the context of the APGA party if we go beyond expecting charismatic leadership from him and into believing that he is an actual authority whose demands (such as for clarifications on internal squabbles and their causes) count for something?
This is the challenge which I hope Ojukwu’s castigators still have to reconcile by confronting it in a more mature way than currently prevails. In any case, any additional dossiers exposing any further information such as sources (wholesome or sleazy) of welfare funds to Ojukwu would merely take a number and stand in the line of public humiliation on the basis of public opinion which in many ways has already condemned and lynched his reputation beyond reckonning.
Chiboy,
My brother please I'll get back to you I think I understand where you're coming from.
MeBiafran,
My brother, you may not understand where what I have written is coming from, but feel free to quote whatever specific portion that disturbs you and I will clarify, I promise.
Greg,
Thanks.
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This Ojukwu palava sef! Why has it become so much of a big deal as if we never saw it coming?
Some of us in this fora talk like following Ojukwu to hell regardless of the circumstances based on what he did and stood for on Igbo worthy causes when he had to do what he had to do, at his prime, is Okay and should not be faulted. But my fear is, with all that has unfolded since his "new political startegy" in saving Igbos from the hands of her enemies, in particular, starting from his return from exile in 1982, and I repeat, "his return from exile in 1982," not much could be attributed to his feelings of concern towards the plight of Nd'Igbo he left behind after the pogrom and a catastrophic civil war.
Don't get me wrong, like anyone else, I adored him and he was my hero. That was then.
To be honest, I am equally shocked, and still in shock that Ojukwu would take such a step and is now being ridiculed for his approach in a "political startegy" presumed to be good for Nd'Igbo in his own assessment, I would guess. And I do have a problem when such startegies are full of "tale-flaws" and backbiting knowing for the fact Ojukwu then--and just in his early thirties--had the courage and opportunity to have taken those bold steps, and Ojukwu now from all indications has lost his stripes on specifically a tailoring that has been designed to make Igbo a conquered and finished people.
And why shouldn't we be worried to call a spade by its name if we really mean to bring about a profound Igbo nation? Do we, as in what Ojukwu has done because he is Ojukwu fold our arms and hold our tongues when he crossed the line to a point it becomes very detrimental to the well-being of us all? Do we say, oh, Ojukwu cannot be wrong and no matter what the case may be, let's start kicking ass because Ojukwu has been attacked? Do we say, never minding he was way off base, and because it's Ojukwu, all is fine, and we should move on? Do we say Ojukwu is beyond reproach and he must get away with all kinds of vices because he is Ojukwu, "the savior of the Igbo nation?" I just don't get it!
And Ukaobasi writes:
quote:I still continue to view this debacle, not as the shock of a sudden discovery that Ojukwu is afterall a devil incarnate, a fanged unrepentant child eating cannibal, who has now been exposed as lacking in credibility to boot, but as an awakening about our real standing as Igbos...
Thank you very much! And remember Ojukwu is seventy-one years old now, not the thirty-something he was in a not fast-changing world, then.
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I refuse to answer the attention seeker, after all, he is still supposed to be on further studies.
Leo wrote
quote: I refuse to be goaded into a joust of the Enugu vs. Imo/Anambra/Ebonyi/Abia kind. As far as I am concerned, such a crass discussion is a foreseeable objective of the originator of this thread; anything to distract attention from the mess his hero has made.
Nwannaa, Talk is cheap, only those who knows this character in person are qualified to tell what he stands for, i can only leave you to your judgment; when it comes to the prosecution of NdiIgbo, the artificial boundaries becomes nonexistent to the enemy, as it's in evident with Obasanjo and his co travelers. Not even the likes of Peter Odili is saved, so, my brother, accept my best wishes and lets move on.
I insist, Ojukwu does not deserve this insults from UmuIgbo in this forum if we are not instigated to do so. The fact is that Chekwas Okorie still commands my total respect, is he not supposed to be the alleged victim, yet, Ikemba is no Allen to him, when the dust is settled, he may yet go back to Gburugburu and say, father forgive me like any child will do his father. jilinu nwayoo umunaa na chijilieji ga efo. Chekwas Okerie and Emeka Ojukwu has equal stake in Igboland like every Igbo person, every individual deserves the right to fair assessment, if we think that Emeka erred, Chekwas is not absorbed of error, we demand fairness and we all hold the duty to be fair.
Well,on another note,and coincidently, in 1983, as a growing young man, I casted my first vote to Emeka Ojukwu against my uncle Edwin Onwudiwe, my action was taken on the alticulation of who will serve the people best. Not nessasary to mention though, it might yet serve a purpose, when I had the oppurtunity to guarantee travel visa to Ireland for two persons, one of the benefictors of the visa is a young intelligente brother, probably from Imo or Abia state, friend of my young brother, might even be a kin to the attention seeker, yet it was done without fee. What i said about Gburugburu i will say about Eze Ogo, will yet say about Okpala and host of great Igbo sons and daughters.
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As you can see, it has taken me sometime to review, absorb, and respond to the questions which you put forth in your last posting. This is because your position registered so effectively in the mind as to warrant a thorough review and reconciliation of those areas on which we essentially agree, in order to avoid overlap without sacrificing those minor but critical areas where a strong difference of opinion and approach actually exists.
SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY: OJUKWU’S BASIC ALBATROSS
It will not be oversimplifying matters to posit that the basic challenge bedeviling Ojukwu lies not so much on the existence of hard facts established by gaining a confession from him but in the extrapolation of circumstantial evidence from unfolding events which has successfully created the appearance that Ojukwu was “sleeping with the enemy”. An appearance which I have always agreed represents Ojukwu’s failure in judgement in this grave matter.
In your analysis, you laid out your views on the basis underlying the current public lynching of Ojukwu’s character under three major planks being:
quote:Modified and summarized into outline form based on Original posting by Chiboy:
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Ojukwu’s visit to Abuja for unknown purposes
Ojukwu’s subsequent expression of a desire to be appointed, nominated, or elected to attend the conference at Abuja
Actions by Ojukwu coming when many on board had questioned the wisdom behind appointing people to represent Nd’Igbo
Ojukwu’s switch into the use of Yoruba when communicating with Obasanjo (being only secondary as a root cause of the scrutiny on him)
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Ojukwu’s allegiance to the wrong faction of Umeh and his subsequent donations to that faction
Attraction (recent?) of JSP Nwokolo to the Umeh faction
Ojukwu’s failure to have shown neutrality in resolving the crisis
Ojukwu’s subsequent condemnation of Chekwas Okorie at the hotel presidential
The impact of Ojukwus condemnation of Okorie and its portrayal of Chekwas Okorie as a victim given the previous “go back to Abia” statement by Umeh about which Ojukwu did nothing.
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The contradictions of Ojukwu’s previous assertion that “Ohanaeze was finished”
The contradictions of Ojukwu’s appearance at Ohanaeze at the prompting of ABC Nwosu (an Abuja oriented Igbo leader with close ties to Obasanjo) to promise his leadership of the Igbo as their delegate
The abdication of his responsibility to INA as a counter to Ohanaeze by his about turn adoption of Ohanaeze
The ready, un announced and unquestioned abandonment of those who stood behind him loyally in times of hardship
Other than the over-simplification that can exist from mixing up the actual sequence of these events, I see no major differences between our views on the reasons you stated above, no major differences of opinion that is except the fact that it remains unestablished when JSP Nwokolo joined the party, as well as when and for how long Umeh had been a key player in the party. These questions are critical, in order to determine what these individuals were contributing that was so indispensable to the party, and how it was that between when the party APGA was formed to the time when these individuals joined and all the way up to the point when scandal broke out, whatever roles these individuals played were unquestioned, though the shock of their existence in the party now seems to cast such an existence as something new. The point essentially is how many other individuals with anti-Igbo and known questionable political pedigree continue to constitute the Chekwas Okorie wing of the APGA party if it is to be viewed as the more pro-Igbo one among the two?, and for that matter how many are yet to join it in the future? For me, beyond the public lynching of Ojukwu on the basis that he welcomed it upon himself by his failures in judgement, beyond the leap from circumstantial evidence to the confident conviction that Ojukwu’s motives are now suddenly malicious, there should be a pause to recognize that a splitting of the APGA party only represents a multiplication of the same problem without the resolution of the internal system failures that led up to the problems in the first place?. Some of these system failures involve the desperation resulting from the need and sourcing of funds without discrimination of donors, the inexistence of a sense of ownership and empowerment of the Igbo masses, and the inherent contradictions in INECS Federal requirement upon political parties which guarantees that parties such as APGA and AD are perpertually infiltrateable and perpertually rendered useless save as proxies through which the big parties battle each other, pacify regional populations, and hijack the peoples votes during subsequent election seasons.
CHEKWAS OKORIE IS ON TRIAL, FURTHERMORE HOW CHEKWAS OKORIE HANDLES THIS ISSUE REMAINS AS MUCH ON TRIAL IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION
quote:Originally posted by Chiboy:
The person whose character is on trial here is not Chekwas and even if he was brought into the picture not many would be willing to expend much energy on him as he is yet to acquire the level of goodwill and trust bestowed on Ojukwu by Ndigbo
My brother Chiboy,
This is a grave mistake. Chekwas! is on trial, Umeh! is on trial, Ojukwu! is on trial, APGA! is on trial, Nd’Igbo! are on trial. I’m too ashamed to publicly announce what happened to us, but let me now spell it out for the avoidance of doubt: Obasanjo stared us in the face after the brazen assault on Anambra in which his stocks fell, publicly announced his intention to cause the split of APGA to prevent them becoming beneficiaries of the fallout, implemented it and then confidently stood back to look at us and have a good laugh, even as we now scamper around in disarray, routed, seeking instant scapegoats to pilory, without really addressing the true nature of our problems.
LOST IN THE SHUFFLE: THE TRUE NATURE OF APGA’S PROBLEMS
Given Chekwas Okorie's recent vindication of Obasanjo from the outlandish claim accusing Ojukwu of having connived with Obasanjo (ostensibly in Yoruba language) to have ousted he Chekwas, and for having gone to Abuja ostensibly to collect the 500,000.00 naira sum with which to carry out that order, and.. Given the recent mockery of "general amnesty" as in:
.....we have met and decided that in the spirit of true reconciliation, that every one expelled is hereby granted amnesty. They have been pardoned. Therefore, I will say come back to the party and sin no more. "Though God through INEC has decided this battle in our favour, we shall not appropriate victory alone, we are extending hands of friendship to all our brothers, believing that they will show remorse and return to the party for the overall goodwill and development of the party." Okorie who stated that he is no longer the embattled chairman of the party said that with the recent letter from INEC, "I am now the confirmed national chairman of the party."........
Are we to believe that the problems bedeviling the party were that trivial in the first place? and that serious matters can now be treated with levity in some manner of triumphalism that courts only pity? Is sincereity demonstrated in such belittling gimmickry at a time when Igbos somberly desire the reunification of APGA, and at a time when Chekwas should be busy doing what he did not do in the first place which was to go beyond merely humoring Ojukwu and in humble candor equip him with the information to fulfill the role of arbiter which he had been called upon by both factions to do in the first place? Are Igbos now to be bamboozled by supposed percieved victimhood stature? is there room for jestful magnanimity? Is that the best we can do in the face of a challenge that requires intricate, sincere and sober contemplation?
CRISIS OF CONFIDENCE: APGA’S CURRENT SENTENCE
I have already stated clearly on other threads my disaffection with the Umeh faction given the actions and utterances of Umeh, in fact I was the first to post and condemn Umehs “go back to Abia” comment on the APGA thread on this board before anybody else, so my neutrality on that score can never be misrepresented no matter how hard anyone may try, I have also boldly established my admiration for Chekwas Okorie just as Okwy expressed on another thread so no one in their right mind can insinuate “hypocrisy” on my part as regards my audacity to bring to the fore unresolved aspects of the initial problems which were included among the reasons for Ojukwu's brash action against Okorie in the first place? Is someone being protected? is there something to hide? is there an attempt to muzzle testy questions? surely what is good for the goose should also be good for the gander. We have now severally visited Ojukwu's transgressions and people such as myself have severally acknowledged where Ojukwu has failed in judgement even as we have been bombarded by yet others who have sought to not only strip Ojukwu but to administer a beheading of him in our prescence. If there are those who will condone this license toward mischief (under the guise of freedom to call a spade a spade) because it harmonises with where their unspoken sympathies lie while in the same vein attempting to hypocritically label others "Ojukwu diehards" the question that cannot escape anyone desirous to get to the bottom of things is what was it that Okorie failed to provide by way of information and accounting which made Ojukwu loose his trust in Okorie? this question is persistent, and for me there can be no dancing around it, even now that Okorie's status as victim is supposed to make us crucify Ojukwu and repose our complete trust in Okorie. I'm also an Okorie supporter, however those who sought to muzzle the thought that unresolved issues remain on Okories part have only created the sense that there is something being hidden.
I did miss the opportunity to comment on the Ojukwu statements at the Hotel Presidential due to absence on the board around that period. Since then, events had much overtaken the necessity for me to go back and register my particular opinion on that, other than to note here that Ojukwu failed in not inviting Chekwas Okorie and Maxi Okwu to Enugu, failed by acting the judge, jury and executioner over Chekwas's character while a case is still in court, failed to act the role of a dignified father, and failed woefully in choosing to escalate the hubristic utterances at a time when Igbos have been cautioning wisdom and peace.
CONCLUSION
The problem of the APGA party therefore has absolutely nothing to do with the standing of Ojukwu in the Igbo mind as compared to the standing of Chekwas okorie. In the eyes of Obasanjo and the PDP "one party state" gang, to the extent that the APGA party could have previously been seen to represent a potent force, not even an influence wielding 8 year old official in the party if such character existed would have been spared their attention in their pursuit for the weakest link, this we must not overlook. In combination therefore with the automatic distrust and disregard for the Umeh faction on the basis already discussed, there is a crisis of confidence bedeviling the APGA party which has not been resolved conclusively merely by their being split into two. On that count above, this Igboman remains resolute in saying that: “The APGA that may emmerge under Umeh is doomed, and similarly the APGA that will emmerge under Chekwas is doomed. This is as simple as it can get”.
Their solution is equally simple to fathom, but now difficult to implement and made increasingly more difficult by the degree of intransigence with which either faction digs in to smear the other while engaging in unnecessary gamesmanship. This remains the basic thrust in all my commentary and from this general theme, I dont intend to deviate.
Well,on another note,and coincidently, in 1983, as a growing young man, I casted my first vote to Emeka Ojukwu against my uncle Edwin Onwudiwe, my action was taken on the alticulation of who will serve the people best.
Not nessasary to mention though, it might yet serve a purpose, when I had the oppurtunity to guarantee travel visa to Ireland for two persons, one of the benefictors of the visa is a young intelligente brother, probably from Imo or Abia state, friend of my young brother, might even be a kin to the attention seeker, yet it was done without fee.
I was still in Biafranigeria the day Ojukwu came back from Ivory coast, I skip work that day in Lagos to be at Murtala Mohammed airport Lagos, yes I was one of those who bust that glass protection at the airport open, to hoist Ojukwu up. Then December 1982 I left Igbo land to come to exile in America.
In 1979 even though my own brother in-law doctor Slyvester Ugoh was the running mate to Nwakanma Okoro, but I worked for NPP, because many of us saw NPP as a way out for Ndi-Igbo.
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Shame on you Ukaobasi attempting to defend the indefensible. Leave the APGA alone and try to explain why Ezeigbo should be desperate to attend Obasanjo's jamboree.
Tufiakwa!
Good one CSE.
BTW: Check your pm.
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Ojoto how can he make life better for Igbos of the Nigerian goverment is ethno-biased all the time? He deserves praid and legitimacy because he and Philip Effiong led Biafra to independence. Any thing short of Biafra will never succeed you know. Any African willing to lead a civil war to seperate his ethnic group from enemies and try to make their lives better should be looked up to. The Ndenbele just whined about being abused. Emeka Ojukwu did so much more. However I think as the ex Pres of Biafra he should no a bit or two. Who is he kidding to think the problems can be talked out? He faught once but if he's willing to give in now maybe he aint what he used to be. Anyone else got some analys??
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Umuigbo, Unu na echekwa uche na edemede unu na ede eba? Onye ugwu mabu onye ofe nmanu agahi ede edemede maka onye nke ha otua. Unu were wayo.Ewepu Dim Ojukwu munagi agahi ano ebe ta. I am ashamed of you guys for the tragic post i read here on daily basis on Ojukwu. Is this what is left of young umuigbo? Tufiakwa. CHIMA
I think some folks with some long standing Ojukwu-bashing agenda has taken it upon themselves to do the unthinkable, now they think they man has mis-stepped. But how can you say a man of Ojukwu's calibre has outlived his usefullness. That is an insult of a higher level to all Igbo. This is outrageous comment to even think about. Dogs do not outlive their usefullness, talk less of a man of this quality and esteem.
It show how foolish people can get with making comments they can't back up. NO BODY even a dog can OUTLIVE being useful. Ojukwu has a wealth of Experience by his personal tribulations and encounters that are part of our Igbo /Nigerian history. History can not be outlived. Ojukwu is Igbo History and you cannot change that. Ojukwu is Igbo and Igbo without Ojukwu is not an Igbo worth living. So I do not know what this Okoro Soup writer means. Certainly this writer must be either drunk or have other sinister motives against our almighty guardian. It comes accross is if he wished Ojukwu death. Aziegbakwa Nnagi!
This unguarded author is clearly an Igbo enemy combatant and should be cautioned to stay away from Igbo internal issues. I do not think any one Igbo will make such comments that an Igbo leader has OUTLIVED his usefullness. Obviously he has know clue what being usefull means. Even at hundred Ojukwu will continue to remain a source of inspiration for many.
There is a difference between what we argue about retirement in active politics with what this misguided author insinuates here. What we ask of Ojukwu is that he begin to give in to the views of younger even when he don't quite understand them fully because his realities will be different from theirs and tomorrows. he is still able to guide and mold them to save them from the kind of pittfalls we experienced here by the Umeh led faction in APGA. Ememies will use that kind of open combatant to destroy him and the Igbo agenda that he has championed for us.
Going from the forefront of issues to a new role as backbone is even more glamorous and respectfull as it effectively grants him the onerous role of the true and legitimate kind of GODFATHER of the Igbo movement withing Nigeria. Nobody else will fit such role in alaigbo. Yes, he can correct the young when they go wrong but he should not side with one against another or target any for destruction with any element of vengeance as we see in the Okorie situation. He should not allow a perception of animousity to crawl out even if such exists. Destroying APGA amounts to destroying the legacy of Ojukwu. A strong APGA is how Ojukwu can leave a huge foot print on the Igbo salvation effort.
Open animousities can open a pandora box that will continue to belittle and demean his person. What we want of Ojukwu is support, guidance and his eminent presence when necessary.
Ndigbo can not afford to not have Ojukwu in his usual entity. He is Igbo and we are quite OK with him. He does not have to do anything except be that Ojukwu that we know and have loved. We don't want him to be seen as an Anambra man of sort, as making him just an Anambra man is defeating everything he fought for. That is what Obasanjo want to bring him down to. So I agree with Ngige that it was better he left him than appoint him from Anambra.
He was and is still the Supreme Igbo leader of this post Zik era, whether he is chairman or not of any thing. Ojukwu should not at this point be labored with being chair of anything because he is extra-ordinary of all Igbo. He is over-all which is what Ezegburugburu means. People should go to him when they run into snags just like Orji Uzo Kalu did when he ran into walls with Obasanjo. Ojukwu running anything that is just part of Igbo demeans him. APGA is as Igbo as we can get. APGA won the entire Igbo States in the last Election because of Ojukwu's flavor and the PDP knows it.
As Ezegburugburu we believe he has made his statement when he backed-up the views he advocated about having igbo as majority in a minority party, by coming out to risk his life in the forefront of that effort to firmly plant APGA on the political map. Now APGA is there and they have come to destroy it by way of this UMEH COUP DETAT. As any higly acclaimed celebraty will do, he came in and helped gain APGA the reputation and Identity as that Igbo outlet he commented on in Dallas in 2000. He did not shy away from leading the effort to have APGA in place. He has done his work and can now relax and shape things from behind the scene. He is still very uisefull and relevant in many ways.
That was all we should ask of him. He has done his work. Now he can retire from super active rolls and allow APGA to grow with him showing up from time to time as required to keep things straight and mighty. He must continue to back up Chekwas Okorie until the APGA changes its rules in ways that allows Okorie an honorable exit if that is what ndigbo want. Respect is mutual. A king who does not repect his followers is asking for disrespect too. No one alife can replace Ojukwu in the position we hold him as our Igbo leader.
Now, whether he was at the confab or not should not mean too much, as Ojukwu followership and interest is understood. What we advise is that Ojukwu must go to ABUJA to observer and witness the goings on, then provide a kick-off GATORADE party to those Igbo on the floor championing the Igbo cause and even the rest of Nigerians in the process. What Nigeria is doing today was what he asked them to do and he should be happy he is alife to see it happen. So his presence to urge them to go on will be very honorable indeed, as it will be source of pride, hope and energy for those there.
So we ask of Ojukwu today to go to Abuja to give the confab attendants a DO-WELL party, one to those who represent all the Igbo States and to all from the East and maybe another for all from Nigeria. Such investment will elevate him and show he has no hang ups from not being a direct participant. Go there and talk to all Igbo people and tell them what you want then to accomplish in the best interest of Aliagbo. Make it clear that you are watching them and will back them up at all times. Annoint them your missionaries for that is what an EzeIgbo Gburugburu should do.
I think Ojukwu can turn this Obasanjo seven blows around into seven glories by being pragmatic about it. If they do not want him there, they can not stop him from paying a courtesy visit to entertain and give a GO-AHEAD, I AM BEHIND YOU speech to the participants. That is how he can reclaim his glamour and pride. We want him to be there as our back bone, so anyone saying he outlived himself is just a drunk and crazy buffoon.
HEN Ndigbo Strategist, USA The Igbo Watch Organization/Network TRUTH IS OUR MISSION
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I am just wondering why you bothered to write some of your angry tirade in Igbo. Could you try and separate your own writing from what you parrot from the group known as
"HEN Ndigbo Strategist, USA The Igbo Watch Organization/Network TRUTH IS OUR MISSION?"
I recall that was also the source of another confused writing, which told us that Ojukwu's disastrous romance with Obasanjo was a "strategic move" by the Ikemba, which would lead to miraculous advancement of the Igbo Nation. Now that Ojukwu's mindless miscalculation has been fully exposed, you and that group are trying to wiggle out of your own failure to read the situation correctly.
Anyway, your post seems to be addressed to someone or some people at another place.
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Ike, You need to take a deep breath. Your anger towards Dim Ojukwu is very unjustified. Nwata tuo nna ya elu ogodo awuchie ya anya. Some of you here that have found joy insulting Dim Ojukwu will someday regret your foolishness.
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