Ife agwo mulu aghaghi ito ogonogo. You are of course talking about the late infamous Raymond Njoku of the Owerri Sector in the 1967-70 War who took ten pieces of silver from the enemy and betrayed Biafra. We can now understand Chima Njoku better; now we know what caused the shrimp to bend itself out of shape. Why does an Owerri man work himself into a grotesque frenzy to out-Ojukwu Ojukwu? Is it a curse? You bet; it is even Biblical.
It is written, that the sins of the fathers shall be visited upon their children and their children's children. Those whose soboteuring forebears betrayed Ojukwu and Biafran soldiers at the Owerri Sector and cost Biafra the war are today haunted by the sins of their ancestors. They are condemned to live and die as deranged errand boys for a twisted version of the cause that their forebears betrayed. To pay for the sins of their parents, they must support Ojukwu, even when Ojukwu turns evil. That is their curse.
Yet, they are really here to betray this generation as well and lead it astray in the same manner that their parents betrayed Ojukwu's and their generation. Tufiakwa!
Chima Njoku:
Calm down! Seek therapy. I don't see why my simple post led you to expose the ugly demons within you.
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Wow!! Ojukwu turned evil? Don't you think your language here is a little too strong to describe the unclear un-Biafran actions Odumegwu Ojukwu is alleged to have taken recently. Remember that this is the man that successfully defended Biafra from all-out jihadist attack from the air, sea and land, until their yoroba houseboys went on "shofisticated" arms-buying diplomacy to Yandon and Mosco. Ojukwu stopped the genocide on Biafrans in 1966, invented guided missile technology to defend Biafran territory, built armored attack cars, refined crude oil, all to the shock and dismay of the world that had discouraged black technological innovations until Ojukwu liberated and turned the Biafran genius loose.
Don't you think the man that set this record is in a class of his own among blacks anywhere and should be respected, no matter his occasional human miscalculations? Was it not the shock of seeing black men in Biafra building things that galvanized strange bed-fellows in centers of power in Europe and in the jihadist arab capitals to send arms to nigerians that was use to defeat Biafra and stem the precedence it was setting for the black world. At a time in the mid-'60s when blacks were totally discounted and rendered inconsequential, Odumegwu Ojukwu brought respect to all black people. You simply can't take that away from him, regardless of his latest seeming miscalculations.
Why must we destroy our prophets and our men of distinction simply because the ngwati chauvinist press has assulted our senses for so long with Biafra/Ojukwu propagada that we are willing to believe it? In terms of innovations that elevate blacks/Africans to world parity, where is similar records as Ojukwu for the ngwati press and other critics of Biafra/Ojukwu?
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quote:Remember that this is the man that successfully defended Biafra from all-out jihadist attack from the air, sea and land, until their yoroba houseboys went on "shofisticated" arm-buying diplomacy to Yandon and Mosco. Ojukwu stopped the genocide on Biafrans in 1966, invented guided missile technology to defend Biafran territory, built armored attack cars, refined crude oil, all to the shock and dismay of the world that have discouraged black technological innovations until Ojukwu liberated and turned the Biafran genius loose.
What utter rubbish! Ojukwu was just an opportunist who rode the crest of overwhelming decision of easterners to fight for there survival. It is revisionist to try to attribute this action of the Eastern peoples to Ojukwu.
It might interest you to know that amongst our war veterans, the overwhelming feeling is that we started losing the war once Ojukwu's ego overwhelmed his common sense. On the issue of defending Nd'Igbo, I cannot recall him ever featuring in any of the sectors during the war. Lets not even go into debating the rights or wrongs of his fleeing to Ivory Coast!
On Ojukwu inventing the Guided missile system , all I have to say is that you are going into personal worship and I guess it would not be long before Ojukwu is attributed to firing the shot which set ablaze the ammunition truck of the Biafranigerian army at Abagana.
The man responsible for Biafra refining crude during the civil war was Roy Imenyi not Ojukwu. I think at some time he was a political figure in the old Anambra state.
I have never met any of the important actors on the Biafran side during the civil war who had anything good to say about Ojukwu. Believe you me, I have met a lot of them from military intelligence to the Armed forces.
I had often believed that this was due to some sort of "bad belle" and has always defended Ikemba. It was a shock when I watched as all they had accused Ojukwu of in the past, unravel right before my eyes.
May I just list some of the accussations that had been labelled against him; inconstistent, greedy, egotistic, selfish, disloyal, arrogant etc..
Having lived in the United kingdom for a few years, I had realised that Allumni of Oxford and Cambridge universities have influence over the policies of the United Kingdom government. Ken Saro-wiwa and later his son were able to tap into this. I always did wonder why Ojukwu could not tap into his oxford connection during the civil war. Now, I have come to realise that his fellow students had seen through him and knew him for what he really was and not the image Frederick Fosythe was potraying! Posts: 615 | From: London. | Registered: Mar 2001
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I would rather we didn't see Ojukwu as either a saint or evil. He is a human who should be judged by our earthly standards. His recent political moves do not recommend him for any leadership awards. He should admit his mistakes and leave partisan politics.
The encouraging development is that we do have some consensus ideas on how to move forward.
quote: Having lived in the United kingdom for a few years, I had realised that Allumni of Oxford and Cambridge universities have influence over the policies of the United Kingdom government. Ken Saro-wiwa and later his son were able to tap into this. I always did wonder why Ojukwu could not tap into his oxford connection during the civil war.
--Wacko
quote:To gain that international backing for Biafran independence, our diplomats and leaders here on this board and on the ground in Biafra must be willing to bargain away to superpowers a substantial chunk of Biafran natural resources than olusegun obasanjo, the yoroba/hausa are currently wasting. But it's hard to match the free-for-all international owambe party on Biafra that has been going on in nigeria since 1970 organized by the rulers of nigeria.
I guess we must be willing to hold our nose for the sake of Biafran independence. Amadi O.
Amadi O. and Wacko,
You both may disagree sharply over reasons for failure of Biafran diplomacy. However, like me, you seem to share the same strategic approach as Amadi proposed in another discussion. I have commented in the past that Ojukwu dwells alot on the trivial aspects of oxbridge education; it is not about accent or use of English. It is about the influence with the power brokers as Wacko said.
I don't know why people fan this myth about oxford english and Ojukwu encourages it.
quote: One day, his educational prowess caused a rift between him and his instructor who was teaching them parts of a rifle. He pointed at the safety catch and asked them what it was? And Ojukwu answered "safety catch" but was told by the instructor: "Damn fool, you sabi nothing" and another recruit says "saplica" and the instructor says "Good". "There is no such word in English language" says furious Ojukwu. This landed him in guardroom where he was tried and freed and was later recommended to be an officer.
quote: He said a word that I didn�t quite like and that is �betrayal�. This is always the problem in Nigeria; I mean the use of English Language; coming and speaking out ill-digested vocabulary. I think before you use the word �betrayal�, it is necessary to create a background of a deal or plot or plan and the other one goes and betrays it.
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I will tell you my problem about the dialogue, the little English I learnt in Oxford tells me that a dialogue is between two people or parties and I didn�t feel that the answer to Nigeria�s problem is Obasanjo versus the rest of the country, no. I didn�t like the dichotomy already implicit in the whole thing.
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quote:I would rather we didn't see Ojukwu as either a saint or evil. He is a human who should be judged by our earthly standards.
Folks, CSE summed it up in the above statement.
He is human and we should agree that at this time that he has failed woefully. We should also admit that not all his decisions have been wise, and finally that a lot of his decisions have been anti-Igbo. It is only when we accept this that we would be able to make progress. Why should we make excuses for him simply because in 1966 he jumped on a bandwagon? Orji Uzor Kalu jumped on a similiar wagon during one of the sharia riots. We applauded him then and have since criticised him for obvious anti Igbo actions.
Was it not Ike who rightly pointed out that henceforth Ojukwu has to earn respect just as the likes of Orji and Ekwueme? If Ekwueme why not Ojukwu? It is called consistency!
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I cannot worship anyone including Ojukwu; the Igbo wasn't raised that way. But we simple think ndiIgbo must demand transparency from those who lead us, not attempt to cripple their actions by unrelenting criticisms and second guessing, as the crowd of Odumegwu Ojukwu attackers have been doing since 1970 from harmless locations in Europe and North America. And if they blame him for all the wrongs that took place during the war, they must also have the courage to give him credit for all the progress; he allowed them to happen under his watch. That is fairness!
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Wacko, You are completely out of line here. The fact that you reduced Ojukwu's actions throughout the 1966-70 period as merely jumping on a "bandwagon" has totally nullified anything reasonable you might have had in your post. Infact, your comments indicate more of personal hatred for Ojukwu than anything else. So if you were in Ojukwu's position in 1966 you would wait to see the bandwagon before you act?. God forbid!, I'm glad we had somebody like Ojukwu at the helm. How do you think Biafra was able to mount a defense at out break of the war?. Had he waited to join the "bandwagon" at the time our ppl made up their minds to secede, there would have been no Biafra!. You think arms procurement is similar to buying a can of sugar at a grocery store?. In fact, when I read the nonesense a lot of people post here it amazes me as to the level of ignorance. Arms purchase is much easier for a recognized government than it is for a potential rebel especially when western powers feel threatened by that rebel movement. Ojukwu might have had a streak of dictatorial tendencies but he was peerless and towered above all and sundry during that crisis. What do you have to say about Aburi accord?. Gowon forced Ojukwu's hand and Ojukwu did his best under the circumstances. Do you know that it can only take a rare breed of charismatic leaders to inspire a people to resist despite heartbreaking setbacks and the kind of overwhelming odds Biafra faced. I guess you don't beleive for once that Ojukwu had anything to do with the mind boggling technological innovations in Biafra. Well let me break it down so you can see the link. Ojukwu as the leader of Biafra had peered into the horizon and saw his limitations as far as amarments were concerned and decided to put the knowledge of our Physicists and Engineers to work. Rockets,Ogbunigwes and amored vehicles have already being developed as early as 1967 when the war broke out. That's how the "shore batteries" were able to annihiliate Muhamed's 2nd division from the eastern banks of the Niger. By the way, it is "Roy Umenyi" and not "Imenyi". Have you ever seen or heard about any supreme commander being present at the front during combat?. Pls, I'd like you to give me instances and don't go back to medieval times of knights in shining amor guarding the king. In any case, I'd like to remind you that Ojukwu frequently visited the fronts and on one recorded occassion directed the attack himself. For instance, he was there during one of the two fierce counter-attacks by Biafran troops to destroy the nigerians in Oguta town. When people try to castigate Ojukwu for his departure from Biafra at the end of the war I just wonder what is really going through their heads. Would you stay if you knew that you'd be executed after being tutured and humiliated?. Pls I need an honest answer. So wacko Ojukwu should have sat there for the yoroba and their taliban masters to have him butchered... right?. I thought it was mostly non-Igbos who try to make an issue out of Ojukwu's flight from Biafra. There is no doubt that Ojukwu could have done things differently during that war but that's in hindsight. That being said, a lot of his actions after the war has been very disappointing and this latest APGA debacle is particularly hard to ignore. People like Okwyonwuka and Chima Njoku should pull their heads out of the sand speak out against it instead of making lame excuses. Ojukwu shouldn't have taken sides on that matter. It is that simple. I still wonder why he sided with a character like Umeh. Imagine the tout with his "go back to Abia state" comment....might as well be Nwa Aro himself speaking. The point I'm trying to make here is that all criticisms should be devoid of malice or bias and we should also give credit when and where it is due.
quote:I cannot worship anyone including Ojukwu; the Igbo wasn't raised that way
I have to agree that we are not raised that way contrary to what someone wrote in this forum that we should behave like the Yoruba who do not insult there leaders. He conveniently forgets to mention that this is either because there leaders are answerable to them or it is beause they get lynched/burnt alive if they step out of line. It reminds me of the statement credited to a yoruba PDP delegate to there presidential primary who said to the effect that though he knows that Obasanjo is bad for the PDP, he would be voting for him as he did not want people "back home" to lynch him. Contrast that to Ojukwu who having decided on an unholy matrimony with the devil in the person of Obasanjo, expects Nd'Igbo to go with him. Does he expect us to forget all the atrocities Obasanjo visited on and continues to visit on Nd'Igbo till date. Are now supposed to accept that " the big boss" loves Nd'Igbo afterall just because Ojukwu said so?
quote: And if they blame him for all the wrongs that took place during the war, they must also have the courage to give him credit for all the progress; he allowed them to happen under his watch. That is fairness!
They do not blame him for all the wrongs that took place during the war. They merely state the fact that people with the necessary know how especially with regards to the running of the war were sidelined in favour of less qualified people simply because they were seen as rivals to the "absolute commander". On your use of the term "he allowed them to happen" I take it to mean that you accept the charges of dictatorial tendencies that were levelled against him.
Ogbunigwe;
Na waoh! I think you should ask what changed between when Ojukwu told the Emir of Kano that the massacre of Igbo's was a price which Nd'Igbo had to pay for the unity of Nigeria and when he decided that Biafra was the only option? Was it when the death toll was 1,000, 10,000 or maybe 50,000?
He has a consistent history of jumping onto any band wagon around!
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Wacko, I was initially of the mindset that Ojukwu mislead and made a lot of costly mistakes during that 1966-70 period that resulted in the fall of Biafra. This is the impression you get from people like Gen. Madiebo or even Ben Gbulie but after having read a little more on the crisis particularly from independent foreign authors, I came away with a different conclusion. Bernard Odogwu also gave a lot of plausible reasons why some of these officers seemed disgruntled. Infact, my final conclusion was that Ojukwu was probably good only as a crisis leader and doesn't come off as a savy politician. I really don't think you've made your point at all. In any case, I still think the APGA crisis was beyond politics and he should have handled it better.
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quote:Infact, your comments indicate more of personal hatred for Ojukwu than anything else
That is absolute rubbish. Go through my posts in BNW fron its inception and point out except with the present events where I have written anything critical of him. This is what I had to say about him very recently;
Man I sure do hate it when it turns out that Mr OneNigeria was right.
One the Bandwagon stuff, he moved from a position that the massacre of Nd'Igbo was a price worth paying for Nigerian Unity to the one of Biafra for ever once the overwhelming feeling in the East was for seccession. Ongathering people, I disagree. It was the civil servants who were responsible for this. People like Mbanefo, Ezera Kalu etc. It is also a fact that the concessions he got from Aburi was because of the team he took along. Once he made away with the advice from such people, Biafra was doomed.
quote: Would you stay if you knew that you'd be executed after being tutured and humiliated?.
Has he not been recently humiliated by Obasanjo? By letting himself to be so humiliated, he has let Nd'Igbo down. Ojukwu was until recently the symbol of the nascient Neobiafran and Igbo nationalism movement. The symbol has self destructed and not that it was not forseen, not that it was not preventable, it clearly was and he did not behaved better than other politicians whom we have come to despise on this forum. Why not judge him like them?
quote:There is no doubt that Ojukwu could have done things differently during that war but that's in hindsight.
No it is not! It is hindsight when people make a qualified decision, but it is not when people refuse to listen to counter views or surround themselves with yes men. It is preventable.
quote:That being said, a lot of his actions after the war has been very disappointing and this latest APGA debacle is particularly hard to ignore
Sorry, to those who know him, it was predictable as it followed a pattern of what they have come to expect from him. BTW; Thanks for the Roy Umenyi correction. Well appreciated.
One of the things I could never understand until now was why most Ojukwu critics are from the old Anambra state and most loyalist from the old Imo state. I suspect it was because they knew him very well.
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Having just read between the lines in this newspaper report in the SUN newspaper which I found today, some disturbing concerns have been raised in my mind about convictions previously harbored in my outlook of things.
Below is the link which I now attach, and the four major parts of it That I found disturbing, along with my comments (in bold) after each part:
quote:Chekwas Okorie ran APGA as personal property - Women leader By PETER ANOSIKE SUN Newspaper Wednesday, February 16, 2005
Princess Hajia Nana Dahiru (Photo: Sun News Publishing)
1.) ....... “What you see as crisis in APGA is mere repositioning. We are trying to put round peg inside a round hole. You call it crisis, but we in the party call it restructuring.
Mere repositioning??? This comment was particularly offensive because it created the sense of premeditation and bad faith
2.) ..........According to her, Chief Chekwas Okorie short changed the party. “I am with the Umeh faction because when the problem started, I had the opportunity of talking to the warring parties. Despite all the allegations being levelled against Chief Okorie, he has not denied any of them, neither has he addressed any of the issues. What he is doing is pointing finger here and there, which he has even extended to Dim Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, who is now the Chairman Board of Trustees of the party.”
W.r.t. “Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, who is now the Chairman Board of Trustees of the party” This comment is distressing in that as one who should have been an arbiter in this matter, Ojukwu inserted himself into the affairs and lost credibility by accepting this position with one faction, thus belittling his stature while the confrontation was still under his arbitration
3.)......... “Chekwas Okorie is somebody who I respect as a person. But the way he has been running the party since registration has been very unfortunate. You cannot go to any state of the federation and see where APGA has a befitting secretariat.
........Apart from that, he is a dictator. He has privatised the party. He ran it as if it was a personal property, which is quite unfortunate. If he had been liberal and allowed other members to contribute their own views, our party would have fared better. But he won’t allow that. He is a feudal overlord.
........“The suspension of Okorie is very constitutional. More than two-thirds of the members of the National Working Committee voted for his removal.
What disturbs me in the sentences above is that nowhere was it shown what sincere efforts had been being made by Ojukwu or other senior stakeholders to rectify this condition previouslyif it was so disturbing, something that suggests Okorie had been the one doing all the hard work and heavy lifting all along, nowhere was sincere good faith effort to weigh in by suggesting alternative ways to do things demonstrated as previously existing, documented as having been brought to the table and how many times, before suddenly exploding in the papers that Okorie had been expelled
4.) ........ “Chekwas Okorie is not going to leave the party. We just want him to vacate the position of national chairman. That he was suspended from the post does not mean he would no longer be an APGA member. After all, he was not born a national chairman. But on the other hand, if he decides to leave there will be no problem. APGA will still forge ahead. Chief Alex Ekwueme founded PDP. When he left, PDP still forged ahead. That is what will happen if Chekwas leaves APGA. Nobody is indispensable. Our greatest joy is that Chief Ojukwu is on our side and he commands more respect and followership.
To me this particular paragraph is the smoking gun that suggested a coup had been pulled by people whom Okorie had had no reason to fear or distrust in his dealings with them
OJUKWU DID BETRAY CHEKWAS OKORIE!!! AND IN THE HANDLING OF THIS PARTICULAR MATTER OJUKWU DID MISLEAD, DISRESPECT, AND ABUSE ND'IGBO'S TRUST!!!
For all the comments I have made on this board, indicating in any form or fashion that it was in Chekwas Okorie's court to go back and provide account to the questions put to him by Ojukwu as regards the allegations of financial impropriety levelled by the Umeh faction, This posting hereby nullifies them all, no matter in what thread they be.
Responsibility never lay in Chekwas Okorie's court to disprove the wrongdoing levelled by his accusers, rather, responsibility to substantiate the allegations made against Okorie lay in the laps of his accusers.
To the extent that it may not have occurred to Chekwas Okorie to express this firmly to Ojukwu from the get go, that oversight is not a crime and does not warrant the underhanded brash and unIgbolike judgements and action taken against Chekwas Okorie by Ojukwu.
UNRESERVED APOLOGIES TO CHEKWAS OKORIE: OPPORTUNITY STILL BECKONS!!!
For any injurious insinuations possibly deriveable upon the reputation of Chekwas Okorie by my suggestions already nullified above, my unreserved apologies are also hereby rendered.
While I believe that Ojukwu's intentions towards the Igbo people he has always hoped the best for remain good, I also now believe that Ojukwu in the manner of his dealing with his loyal friend and protege Chekwas Okorie, owes a debt of apology (as previously suggested on this board by Greg) to Chekwas Okorie particularly and to Nd'Igbo in general for abusing their trust.
To re-unite Nd'Igbo in this matter, and begin to ameliorate the trauma inflicted upon them unexpectedly, Ojukwu must now unequivocally and unconditionally make a fatherly move to reconcile himself to his protege and to apply his influence upon Umeh and others in that faction to assume a more remorseful and sincere disposition for the attempt to have callously taken over what Okorie had laboriously built with his own sweat and tears, put aside their battle postures, and in good faith present and assist Okorie in bringing about any genuine reforms that it was they had been harping on about.
CONCLUSION
My positions regarding transparency, accountability, and "responsibilities of ownership" w.r.t. the relationship between the Leaders and the Led as the only vigilant way forward in which the Igbo masses can begin to seek empowerment from this point on remains. I now swallow hard and accept my humble pie.
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Ukaobasi, Your disappointment is shared by most of the guys who have supported Ojukwu so openly since the inception of this message board. First, the reaction was shock and afterwards a real determination to put the Igbo cause first as no one leader has the destiny of Igbos on their shoulders. Wacko, for example, is a guy I have spoken to quite a few times. He came across as a very down to earth Igboman. While we shared a few doubts about the conduct of the civil war, we came to a conclusion Ojukwu probably did what he had to. We discussed various accounts from people who crossed paths with Ojukwu during the war. Some of these conducts worried me a lot. But I thought that Ojukwu should have the benefit of doubt. The Chekwas story and the national dialogue were well covered and Ojukwu certainly has had a lot of opportunities to put across his views. He didn't come out of this well. Hence people like Wacko really feel betrayed.
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quote:Some of you here that have found joy insulting Dim Ojukwu will someday regret your foolishness.
My dear brother, I�ve tremendous respect for your opinions but please allow me to correct one misconstruction on your part as relates to the mess Ikemba allowed himself in. You�re wrong to believe that any joy is derived by those who lately presented their disappointment towards Ikemba�s handling of APGA fallout. No Igbo should be proud to insult Ojukwu or rip him to pieces. All insults towards him should be discouraged and insofar as I�m around, I wouldn�t support any who took that route. Suffice here however with the actual position of folks whom you thought na akpari Ojukwu being a simple disagreement that has not risen to the level of nkpari yet. It shouldn�t surprise any of us when few minorities deem peoples� expression of disappointment with Ikemba as insult since our elders in the village take offense to any dissenting opinion from a younger one, they errorneously see it as nkpari. Now, that even the HONORABLE Uka took time to revisit the issue and came out with the proper state of affairs of this brouhaha, we should begin to wind down that is, if I�m asked. As long as you continue to be for Igbo freedom and against the nigerian injustice, count me as a comrade in arms. The truth which we should realize is that those Igbo that saw things differently from Ikemba this time had at one point or another defended him. Take myself for instance; it was based on my tenacious defense of him that caused othniel/Conumdrum to lash out at me.
quote:And if they blame him for all the wrongs that took place during the war, they must also have the courage to give him credit for all the progress; he allowed them to happen under his watch. That is fairness! Amadi O.
It would be a disaster for anyone to argue against this perspective which goes to show how we try to lump all the bad and ugly at Ikemba�s doorstep at the same time deny him his due. I wish our brothers would restrict their comments to the latest news ala APGA and the Yoruba engineered owambe. As CSE already stated, both Wacko and Amadi have valid points in their disagreement with one another with CSE�s summation that Ikemba as human should also be judged by human standards.
quote:The point I'm trying to make here is that all criticisms should be devoid of malice or bias and we should also give credit when and where it is due. � Ogbunigwe
I honest to God hope that our people would take this advice to heart when they write. Yes, Ikemba blew it with his ill advised support for treacherous touts, victor umeh and nwokolo but this in itself should not give anyone of us the grounds to really come so hard at Ojukwu or worst curse him. As we say in Modern Free, let�s do this for the �good of the order.� Also, the departure of Ojukwu from Biafra was to me a very smart maneuver since his capture and eventual execution by the clueless islamists would�ve meant more bad news to the generality of the Igbo, they would have gone on a killing frenzy. His exit gave General Effiong the flexibility to arrange a more decent cessation and tempered anger of the islamists and their Yoruba collaborators. I wouldn�t stay around if I find myself in a similar jam and trust me, no nigerian or Biafran living or dead would. Maybe a white man but certainly not an African!
UKA the HONORABLE,
It surely takes an HONORABLE man, a just and mature mind to acknowledge what you just did so, my friend, let me reassure you that the respect a good number of us hold for you is still at all time high. Even when some of us realized that a grievous mistake was done by Ojukwu, we still respected your position as evident in our diligent disagreement. Jidekwe nke iji.
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Until such a time we will have leaders that play according to the rule, all politicians are tainted. Ojukwu, Chekwas, Ngige,Obi, Obasanjo, Orji Kalu etc etc. Those that seem to be with some credibility are those that have not yet tasted power. This is why i support Ngige, atleast, he was able to stand and say NO to bloodsucker Ubah! And for that the poor civil servant gets paid as at when due and the poor teacher can atleast concentrate on teaching the leaders of tomorow instead of wheeling and dealing for his daily bread.
We must demand accountability from those we entrust with the task of serving (not ruling) us.
Uka: I doff my hat for u sir!
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quote:Get ready to swallow even more, as the whole Ojukwu/Biafra show has merely just begun. The next pie for you to swallow will be Ojukwu's Biafra itself. --Judges 113
Just as I feared, much of the wrangling here has not been so much about Ojukwu as it has been about the idea of Biafra itself. How can internal APGA divisions translate itself into a referendum on the legitimacy of the Biafran state?
Obviously, many of Ojukwu's detractors are indignant about his political machinations, but it seems that some have another strong and ulterior motive for rubbishing his total image as a man of any integrity. In their minds, Ojukwu is synonymous with the idea of a Biafran state. It is for them "Ojukwu's Biafra." Is it not also our Biafra, and Nd'Igbo's Biafra? How then can the idea of Biafra lose any legitimacy on account of Ojukwu?
Yet we see from the above quote that the next thing we will have to swallow is "Ojukwu's Biafra," and all because of internal disagreements among Igbos about how best to represent their interests.
Yes, Ukaobasi, we may have to swallow hard about Ojukwu's handling of the APGA crisis, but we don't have to accept that somehow, after a life's service to the interests of Nd'Igbo, Ojukwu is now opposed to the total well-being of Igbos everywhere. That would be utter nonsense.
We may disagree with Ojukwu's thinking lately as to how to advance the cause of Igbos, but is he not still a staunch advocate of anything good for Igbo people?
He may not have seen our good this time as clearly as we expected, but is he now completely opposed to our interests, as some would like it to appear?
And now that most Igbos have condemned Ojukwu's questionable political power plays, the "anti-Biafra" voices begin to condemn the Biafran state as another of Ojukwu's "blunders," denying the right of Biafrans to have a homeland, all because of the political mis-steps of one man. I just don't follow this logic, except it were to say just how important this man has been in the eyes of Biafran critics.
Brother, I will swallow my part of the humble pie too, but I won't so much as smell what is cooking in their favorite stew. I already know the stench.
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You put your finger at it! The yoroba/nigerian propaganda is beginning to yield dividend for them. The Republic of Biafra is now on trial by its citizens, as the nigerians want, just because Odumegwu Ojukwu may have miscalculated in the dirty nigerian political game. Crap!!
The truth is that there's no alternative to Biafra -- the nation that was well served by its first president, Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu. It doesn't mean we don't demand accountability from Odumegwu Ojukwu and Chekwas Okorie on what's happening with APGA today.
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Yes Ojukwu have made mistakes in his recent romance with Obasanjo. However what baffles me is how people like brother Wacko and Co are trying to anoint Chekwas Okorie as the saviour of ndi-Igbo just because he started APGA. Until APGA have anybody stop to look into Okories background, all of a sudden he is now the Golden Boy of Ndi-Igbo. There have been some saying in certain circle that Okorie was one of the IBB clique and that is how he made his money.
I continue to preach caution with all this all no hold bars bruhaha about Ojukwu. Chekwas Okorie in my Opinion is another politician here who is using his new found fame to tune his own horn.
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Anybody who stretches this APGA/Ikemba situation to come to any conclusion about Biafra is a moron. That Ndigbo can call Ojukwu to order suggests they would not have gone with him if they did not want Biafra. Those who equate Biafra to any individual are failed students of history and are not worth the effort of a good education on that topic.
On the other issue, you have said a lot of things about Chekwas which suggests that anybody who says the treatment he received from Ikemba is raw considers him some sort of a hero that should be worshipped. I could not come to that conclusion from reading wacko or all the others who wrote on the issue, rather I was on record to have said Chekwas was just an upstart politician not yet worthy of that kind of attention. Having said that, why don't you tell us some of the things you know that makes Chekwas a bad guy. The whole idea is to put everything in perspective so we know where things went wrong. I for one do not believe in putting anyone above board anymore, so please brother tell us more about Chekwas so we can balance out our views.
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Ojukwu took the Igbo issue to the climax with a full scale civil war to better your lives. I think Greg should instead of calling that civil war a blunder ask why the non-Igbo's ability to show tolerance was a blunder. He promotes Pan-Africanism without understanding that Pan-Africanists dont have Nazi Germany or Prussia like powers to unify the race. Greg is to blind to see that non-Igbos would never allow tolerance because Greg has got visions of an African EU with the powers of 10 Japanese Empires dancing in his head. He is to naive to realized that Ojukwu is the real deal and that he tried his best. Greg just doesnt like to see African succesionists who are realists because Greg is to African Unity regardless of people's rights for his own good. I could say like wise for many others. If Ojukwu founded Biafra for himself he wouldnt be the first however like most the founders kin would be the main benefactor. Dont believe me? Just ask Ante Pavelić, Moise Tshombe, and all the rest who jumped at the chance to get away..
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Could someone explain the rationale behind not pursuing with vigor these pressing and equally disturbing issues with the same intensity that our adversaries show on any and everything concerning Igbo, Ojukwu, Biafra so forth even when such is so inconsequential and over expended? Most if not all of the listed topics that do not draw the attention of the EFULEFUS in house have a lot to do with the negative image of the worthless country you call nigeria yet they skipped their response.
Topics/Authors
What is that Thing? - Mankelv
Islam a religion of peace? - MeBiafran
The Real Nigerian History � Ochiwar.
THE SACRED THIEVES OF NIGERIA! � Mankelv.
Violence and Crisis in Edo/Ekiti - Odester Nchege.
Obasanjo's Anti Corruption campaign is a failure � chiboy.
Nigerian Fugitives on the lam by U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration � MeBiafran.
AWO DESTROYED NIGERIAN UNITY . COULD NIGERIA BEEN BETTER OF WITHOUT AWO? � chima njoku
SOYINKA, AND OTHER PDP CHIEFTANS CONDEMNS OBASANJO'S GOVT. SAYS ABACHA WAS BETTER � chima njoku.
SHAKY NIGER BRIDGE WILL COLLAPSE UNDER OBASANJO'S WATCH � chima njoku.
American rap group scuffle with an out of control northerner � MeBiafran.
BiafraNigerian Economy: Doubting Claims of Yoruba Competence - Amadi O.
Obasanjo Arrests Oshiomhole over Oil Strike � Kunle.
Hausa Warlord, Atiku, says Labor is Threat to Democracy - Seun
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2491 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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quote: Yes Ojukwu have made mistakes in his recent romance with Obasanjo. However what baffles me is how people like brother Wacko and Co are trying to anoint Chekwas Okorie as the saviour of ndi-Igbo just because he started APGA.
Biafra, I have come to the conclussion that you do not bother to read other peoples posts before making assumptions about what they are impling/portraying. I am at loss about which of my right ups could be misconstrued as annointing Chekwas as the savior of Nd'Igbo. If you know me well, I believe that it is the idea that is important and not the individual. If an individual who is "leading" a noble quest steps out of line, he should be called to order.
On another thread I wrote this;
quote:quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were JSP Nwokolo not a member of APGA when Okorie was its sole chairman? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No he was not! He is still till date a card carrying member of PDP! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You asked this;
quote: Wacko
If Umeh wasn't a member of APGA, how did he wind up been the National treasurer of APGA. So if this Umeh guy whom I nver heard of until this who mess, was that bad why did Okorie choose him as APGA Treasurer knowing he is a member of PDP.
So I wonder if you decided to oppose whatever I wrote without bothering to read it!
BTW he was given the teasurer position to placate him and his group who fought tooth and nail to stop Chekwas imposing Ojukwu as the presidential candidate of APGA hence the charges of "dictatorial tendencies" being presently thrown about by people who would want us believe that Chekwas was the problem.Posts: 615 | From: London. | Registered: Mar 2001
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My bad I got confused with Nwokolo and Umeh. However I still think that though Chekwas may have founded APGA. That can not and will not elevate him to height some are trying to put him. For some of the things I know about Chekwas he is still part of One Nigeria Politicians, and one of IBB boys.
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I personally have taken some Internet bullets that were loaded with lethal and unconventional warheads, be it on Gamji, Kwenu, BNW or individual private mails from islamist in behalf of Ojukwu, but my brother, this is not about Chekwas it rather has everything to do with Ikemba's mishandling of minor intra-party nonsense. I also see that the man is not doing a thing to reverse his error and that tells me more about him. I can see you're about to resonate this whole mess again even when people are trying their hardest to let it be. I don't see anywhere it is written that Ikemba is god or above errors so have this in mind as you unrelentingly pick on Okorie. Let us be fair to this young man, bro.
Did you miss this?
quote:BTW he was given the teasurer position to placate him and his group[umeh, nwokolo etc] who fought tooth and nail to stop Chekwas imposing Ojukwu as the presidential candidate of APGA hence the charges of "dictatorial tendencies" being presently thrown about by people who would want us believe that Chekwas was the problem. - Wacko
___________________ BIAFRA: The land of my ancestors now, yesterday and always. So it will be! Posts: 2491 | From: Ala Igbo | Registered: Apr 2004
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Who is Chekwas? He formed APGA, so what? Where is ALEX EKWUEME who formed PDP? Chekwas has no place in the history of Ndi-IGBO yet. Forming a political party does not erase the sacrifice Dim OJUKWU made for Ndi-Igbo.
For ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT OJUKWU, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ENEMY COMBANTANT OF NDI-IGBO.
quote: ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT OJUKWU, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ENEMY COMBANTANT OF NDI-IGBO.
So says who?
The enemies of Nd'Igbo are those who would keep quiet when the representatives of Nd'Igbo are going astray , those rationalise it as "strategy" and worse still those who would drag Chekwas into this crises for daring to speak out.
People say all sorts of things about Bush, Clinton etc it is accepted. People and I mean Christians have even debated the relevance of several passages of the Bible and we have not batted an eyelid, but, as soon as the error of Ojukwu is pointed out, out come the BNW talibans with "fatwas" like that posted by Chima Njoku.
BTW; "Are you by any chance related to Raymond Njoku? Just curious!" Forumites need to know!
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For all of us Igbos, critizing our leaders is as old as our society. But to engage in a personal attack and insult is un Igbo. Many of us have critized Ojukwu in this forum, however I am afraid that this critism is going beyond just critizing our leaders to personal attacks and insult.
This has nothing to do with Chekwas Okorie or APGA. I do agree with Mr Njoku that just forming a political party in Nigeria does not make one an Igbo leader. There are some other Good Igbos in other political parties. No body is critizing those of you who dare to speak, however when it goes beyond speaking out, that is not accptable. I do understand that so many of us who love Ojukwu may be angry at him with some of the steps he has taken, However we need not to go over board.
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Insulting Ojukwu is like a white American insulting George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. It is un-Biafran, a subversive act for a Biafran, and shows lack of commitment for Biafran independence. People are crossing the line wrecklessly! We must refrain from acts that attempt to smear the luster, symbols and substance of Biafra!
Now, those who know Odumegwu Ojukwu or Mr. Chekwas Okorie must ask them to issue public statements to account for their positions on APGA and their policy towards olusegun obasanjo and the nigerian state.
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Chekwas has no place in the history of Ndi-IGBO yet. Forming a political party does not erase the sacrifies DIM OJUKWU made for Ndi-Igbo.
I'm sure you meant sacrifice and not "sacrifies" Dim Ojukwu made for Ndi-Igbo. With all due respect, and I don't mean to disrespect Ojukwu, you must bear in mind Ojukwu in the history books is now a sorry tale. Unfortunately, it took that long to realize he's an opportunist.
BTW, we all want to know: Are you related to Raymond Njoku?
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quote: ALL OF YOU WHO INSULT OJUKWU, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ENEMY COMBANTANT OF NDI-IGBO.
Mother-of-all-battles syndrome It means those who shout from the roof top are are also unlikely to participate productively. Whereas the ones who will do the fighting take a more sober view of things. It is high time people stop fooling themselves and stopped this ranting noise of 'battle'. I don't think the likes of Chima Njoku will be allowed to make important decisions for us.
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quote:Originally posted by Amadi O.: Insulting Ojukwu is like a white American insulting George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. It is un-Biafran, a subversive act for a Biafran, and shows lack of commitment for Biafran independence. People are crossing the line wrecklessly! We must refrain from acts that attempt to smear the luster, symbols and substance of Biafra!
Now, those who know Odumegwu Ojukwu or Mr. Chekwas Okorie must ask them to issue public statements to account for their positions on APGA and their policy towards olusegun obasanjo and the nigerian state.
There were seven presidents before Washington. Also many whites have critisized Lincold as either a mad man, imperialist, or vile racist. Dont preach to us about a disregard for independence because your the type of scum that would get on your African hands and feet and beg the UN for help. Until u lead a civil war I'll be damned if you talk to anyone you coward! Posts: 48 | From: East Tennessee | Registered: Feb 2005
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Chima has simply voiced an opinion. He has not engaged in any personal attacks. He has wisely ignored your mean-spirited insinuations. You have as loudly condemned Ojukwu, as Chima has supported him. The difference is that you have not stopped at attacking Ojukwu, but you must also personally attack one of his supporters. You may not like his view but please try and be fair to your brother and stop trying to belittle him.
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